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Pietro Kuciukian – The Team Manager and more

Words: Trials Guru & Pietro Kuciukian

Photos: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontseré; Bernard Schreiber; Jimmy Young; Iain Lawrie; Pietro Kuciukian.

With assistance from: Bernie Schreiber

Pietro Kuciukian

Pietro Kuciukian was a name well known on the world trials scene in the 1970s and 1980s. He was born on 18th January 1940, and is an Italian writer and surgeon. Being of Armenian descent, Pietro is also the president of International Committee for the Righteous of Armenians and Co-Founder of ‘The Gardens of the Righteous Worldwide’ Committee. He collaborates with the Armenian Genocide Museum in Yerevan and is the founder of the ‘Memory is the Future’ Committee, a project to sponsor Armenian cultural projects.

Armenia is officially known as the Republic of Armenia, it is a landlocked country in the Armenian Highlands of West Asia. It is a part of the Caucasus region and is bordered by Turkey to the west, Georgia to the north and Azerbaijan to the east, and Iran and the Azerbaijani exclave of Nakhchivan to the south. [1]

But of course the trials world knew him as the team manager of the SWM world trials effort back in the 1980s. Kuciukian is rated by 1979 World Trials Champion, Bernie Schreiber as ‘the greatest of all time team manager’ and that is praise enough! We bring you this interesting article on Trials Guru, as we believe it is important to preserve, given the contribution Pietro Kuciukian made to the sport of trial at world level.

Yorkshireman, Martin Lampkin had trouble pronouncing Pietro Kuciukian’s family name. (Photo: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontseré).

Known to his riders as ‘Piero’, in the UK, readers of the weekly motorcycling newspapers perhaps struggled to pronounce his family name when reading of Piero in the motorcycle press reports, it is pronounced: ‘Koo-choo-kee-an‘. The late Martin Lampkin in particular had great difficulty with the pronunciation and jokingly called him ‘Coo-ca-choo’.

Trials Guru: Piero, where were you born and raised?

Piero Kuciukian: “I was born in a small town in northern Italy called Arco and I lived there until I was twelve years of age. I then moved to Venice, where I studied at the Armenian College there.”

TG: What was your first motorcycle?

PK: “When I was eleven, I drove my first motorcycle, it was a Lambretta 125cc scooter belonging to my mother. No driving license was required to ride it, but when I came back home after a few years in Venice, the Lambretta had disappeared. It turned out it had been literally buried in the backyard. With the help of a friend, I managed to clean it from the rust, and I disassembled it into roughly four thousand, two hundred pieces. When I re-assembled it, a couple of screws and three nuts were left over, but the engine still ran smoothly. It ran even better than before, since I reduced the compression of the cylinder head. The motorcycle became faster than the Piaggio’s Vespa 125cc.

A young Pietro Kuciukian with his Lambretta scooter which he rebuilt after being buried in his parent’s garden.

TG: How did you get into off-road motorcycling?

PK: “After trying several enduro and cross-country motorcycles, which included Puch 125; Maico 400 and Ossa Explorer, I borrowed from my brother-in-law a Montesa 250 and I participated in my first regional trial competition. That one was the only true trials motorcycle, while the other competitors used modified versions of off-road motorbikes, such as Morini 125-175, Gilera, Garelli and so on. I then went on competing in national and international competitions for several years, until 1982. I cannot recall all the road motorbikes I bought in those years, but I do remember BSA, Honda, Kawasaki, BMW, Suzuki, Yamaha, even a two-stroke Jawa 350cc that I still own and that I keep in Yerevan which is the capital city of Armenia. I also rode a BMW Paris Dakar in a competition with Gaston Rahier who taught me how to drive on the desert sands.”

Pietro Kuciukian had a wide taste in motorcycles.

TG: How did you get on in competition, were you successful?

PK “I hadn’t particularly good results in competitions, and I thought I could win only if I had an exceptionally light trial motorcycle. So, I purchased a 250 Ossa, a certain quantity of titanium metal, which with the help of an engineer, Valentini who worked also for Ferrari, we created a chassis, muffler, titanium footpegs, transparent tank, titanium shock absorber springs and so on. From eighty-two kilos, we reduced it to around seventy.”

Kuciukian on his special OSSA in 1974.

But I still didn’t win! I tried again with a Bultaco, reaching seventy-four kilos, but that didn’t help either. Even though I had also removed the springs from the front fork and replaced them with rubber tubes, turning it into an oil-pneumatic one; and also, nylon bolts, smaller wolfram flywheel, hardened titanium crankshaft and aluminum footpegs.”

The very special titanium framed Bultaco Sherpa used by Pietro Kuciukian in 1975.

TG: Did you have any unusual motorcycles?

PK: “I had imported a Honda TL250 from Canada in the 1970s, I met with Sammy Miller to lighten it, and on that occasion the president of the Italian Motorcycle Federation was also there, and he asked me if I wanted to help the first Italian factory interested in building a trials motorcycle? Until then, the prerogative of Spanish motorcycle manufacturers. So, I went to the SWM factory in Rivolta d’Adda where I met the owners Sironi and Vergani, to whom I promised to help them if they put me in charge of their Trial project, but I proposed doing that for free, in order to remain free from contracts.”

Pietro Kuciukian signed the world’s best trials riders for the SWM World trials effort. Left to right: Luciano Mangano (SWM mechanic); Bernie Schreiber; Martin Lampkin; Danilo Galeazzi; Dario Seregni (SWM mechanic), photographed at the SSDT in 1982 having won the manufacturer’s Team prize.

On the first day at the factory when they asked me how a trial motorbike should be designed, I replied to the engineers that it had to be ‘low when seen from the top’ that meant with a low center of mass. and ‘high when seen from the bottom’. That meant high enough to overcome the rocks and obstacles. They thought I was crazy! Together with myself, SWM hired also the Italian champion Giovanni Tosco and my personal mechanic Dario Seregni who always followed me throughout the years.”

TG: How did you go about forming a trials team?

Pietro Kuciukian preparing to start in the 1978 Scottish Six Days Trial at Fort William. The machine is a 125cc SWM.

PK: “I signed contracts with the absolute best riders of that time. This included Giovanni Tosco, Danilo Galeazzi, Gilles Burgat, Christian Desnoyer, Charles Coutard, Bernie Schreiber, Martin Lampkin, Timo Rysy, Thierry Michaud, Bernard Cordonnier, Matteo Romeggialli, Gino Sembenini and John Reynolds.”

Frenchman, Thierry Michaud was one of Pierto Kuciukian’s SWM contracted riders – (Photo: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontseré)

My plan from the very beginning was to win the World Championship, which happened after just five years with Gilles Burgat. I myself tested all the prototype motorcycles.”

SSDT action with Pietro Kuciukian on his special 125cc SWM – Photo: Jimmy Young, Armadale, Scotland.

The first was a SWM 125 with which I competed in the Scottish Six Days Trial in 1978. This was in order to finish the event; I used a compressed enduro engine and I kept the tyres at around 10 psi to avoid having punctures. I finished the event in 140th position, but I was proud to finish it, while more than two hundred riders dropped out before the end.”

Englishman John Reynolds was one of Kuciukian’s SWM signings, seen here on ‘Grey Mare’s Ridge’ in the 1978 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: Iain Lawrie, Kinlochleven.

TG: What happened after the World Championship victory?

PK: “The owners of SWM, after the successful victory of the Trial World Championship in 1981, built a new, larger, and more expensive factory, but also decided to manufacture mopeds, this was at a time when the interest rates reached up to twenty-four percent. SWM then went bankrupt, my team was left without money. I tried to ‘sell’ it to Aprilia, to the Castiglioni brothers, but no one was prepared at that time to support a team that cost around five hundred million lire, or about $500,000 per year. So, I took the job on myself, I founded the new ‘Team KK’ in 1984 with the hope of placing the entire team in another company. This unfortunately didn’t happen, and I had to let go of all my riders, who at the time between seniors and juniors numbered around fifteen. Team KK lasted about a year.

The KK Team logo, KK being an abbreviation for ‘KuciuKian’

TG: Was there a positive outcome for you running the trials team?

PK: “For me, the SWM experience had been a fantastic opportunity to travel the world, meet new people, have all kinds of experiences. This of course included injured riders to be taken to hospital, others to be freed from police stations, contracts to be signed with importers, settling small disputes, organizing events, sometimes even hypnotizing some riders, treating the injured or sick ones, dealing with legal issues and so on. So, my experience in SWM has overall been a positive one and I am grateful to this day to its owners, Sironi and Vegani who unfortunately passed away a long time ago. Because I am a doctor, rumours spread that I drugged the riders. In an indoor race in Bologna my rider Galeazzi fell and broke his leg, he was taken to hospital and the next day he showed a kind of delirium. Dr. Costa of the Mobile Ambulance accused me of having drugged my pilot Galeazzi. So, I ran to the hospital in Bologna and explained how, after a bone fracture, a ‘fat embolism’ can occur and can reach the brain, affecting it for a brief period. That was the reason for Danilo having this delirium and after a day, Galeazzi recovered and began speaking normally again.”

Danilo Galeazzi was a flamoyant rider, contracted by Piero Kuciukian to ride SWM. (Photo: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontseré)

At the beginning, Charles Coutard didn’t manage to control the front wheel uphill and overturned. He said that the engine was too powerful. So, we ‘softened’ the engine by changing its parameters for the six following months. Charles finally gave up and asked me to do what I wanted on the engine. I had the rear swingarm lengthened by 2.5 centimeters. Charles said: ‘Finally I no longer pull the bike over my head; the engine is now very sweet’.

Old friends from the sport. Left to right: French journalist, Jean Louis Bernardelli; Charles Coutard; Piero Kuciukian; Gilles Burgat and Bernie Schreiber at Ventoux in 2011.

A rider of mine was, at the time, a very nervous person; I myself had to follow an ‘autogenic training’ course and to become a teacher in this technique. Then I applied it to my rider who managed to calm down within a few months. Immediately afterwards he left my team to join a competitor.”

The 1979 world champion Bernie Schreiber, winner of the 1982 SSDT, signed up for my team. He had moved from the bankrupt Bultaco to the Italjet brand and then he won three times the second place in the world championships. I have a friendship with Bernie that has lasted for almost forty-five years.”

TG: What was your most disappointing moment?

PK: “My biggest disappointment was during the World Championship in Switzerland when a new motorcycle, the SWM Jumbo 350 was stolen. It had been designed specifically for Martin Lampkin who wanted a more powerful motorcycle. I followed the route to observe the controlled areas.”

The SWM ‘Jumbo’ 350 was specifically developed to suit the riding style of Martin Lampkin.

The bike didn’t start well, I had to push it to start the engine. Our Jumbo was never found, even after the theft was reported to the police. After six months, I discovered that there were two thousand trial motorbikes in the USA unable to be sold, whose engine couldn’t be started.”

The SWM ‘Jumbo’ was designed specifically for hard riding Martin Lampkin, seen here on the left, with Bernie Schreiber and Pietro Kuciukian (far right)

In the meantime, Bernie Schreiber and I were invited to organize a trials school in Tokyo by a well-known Japanese motorcycle company to teach local riders some specific riding techniques. The engineers asked us many questions, which we didn’t answer. After the disappointment of the theft I suffered, I had my total understanding.”

TG: What was your main occupation?

PK: “I was a doctor, a dental specialist and I still am. In 1984 I continued to work every day as a dentist. So, I had to dedicate my evenings from 8pm to midnight every day, working with SWM, and several weekends for trials and regional competitions. Moreover, I used to spend twelve weekends a year following the world championship, in which I participated on motorcycles as race team manager, I had a FIM license. But I also worked as an official reporter for the Italian monthly magazine ‘Motociclismo’ for which I published around one hundred and twenty articles.”

I then published the first book in Italian language on trial riding techniques in 1979. The title was ‘Trial and Moto-Alpinism’ through the publisher Longanesi. It was a real success, thirty thousand copies sold with three editions printed.”

TG: Tell us what you regard was your most memorable achievement?

PK: “My greatest satisfaction as a race team manager was when Gilles Burgat won the World Championship in 1981. At every round of the world championship the Michelin truck was present, the technicians took the temperature of the air, the ground, the tyres and at the next event they tried a new tire compound for the only motorcycle that did not have Pirelli tyres, that of Gilles Burgat of my team who also won the world championship with those tyres. I always wonder if the snow tyres that we use in winter today for cars, might to some extent, have come from Michelin’s trial experience with my team at that time?

Pierto Kuciukian’s sidecar outfit in 1982.

As a rider, my greatest personal success occurred in the last round of the Sidecar Trial Championship in Monza, in the parabolic curve track section. No crew managed to pass that section, not even Giulio Mauri, my main competitor, and most capsized. I had modified the front end and the suspension of the outfit. We developed a lever which blocked the suspension at the bottom and top. I won the Sidecar Trial championship in 1982 by ‘tweaking’ the sidecar. It was the only year that a sidecar trial championship took place in Italy. We had also built a trial motorbike with dual traction: front and rear, which I had assigned to the German rider, Felix Krahnstover. I thought of adapting it to my sidecar, but then the idea was abandoned.

Bernie Schreiber samples the double drive SWM.

TG: What are your thoughts on trials motorcycle construction?

PK: “I had always thought that trial motorcycles should be ‘as simple as possible exercise equipment’ and therefore didn’t need a tank, a saddle, or mudguards. So, I had an exceptionally light ‘special’ model prepared for the indoor competitions and assigned it to Bernie Schreiber. Bernie was the forerunner of the modern trial riding techniques, and he first introduced the ‘aerial curve’. Furthermore, he was one of the very first trials riders to perform on artificial obstacles.

Bernie Schreiber was one of the first riders to be successful in indoor trials, seen here on the SWM ‘Special Indoor’ machine developed by Pierto Kuciukian.

It can be said that he was the founder of the indoor trial. By designing the ‘special indoor’ SWM model assigned to Bernie, I think I was to some extent ahead of my time. Today, saddles, large tanks and enveloping mudguards have disappeared.”

The special SWM ‘Indoor’ trials machine instigated by Pierto Kuciukian.

The project should have continued with a rear mono-lever and front suspension without springs, hydraulically connected and electronically controlled, but SWM no longer existed, and my interest was turning towards Armenia, of which I then became honorary consul, after a stint as a pilot of gliders and motor-gliders which gave me other satisfactions.”

Few trials books have been reprinted, Piero Kuciukian’s book, ‘Trial e motoalpinisimo’ was reissued three times.

Trials Guru: It is without doubt that Piero Kuciukian has been a major influence in the sport of motorcycle trials within what is now referred to as the ‘Golden Era’ of the sport. His contribution to machine development, new ideas, innovation and of course team management is significant.

Cartoon drawing depicting Pietro Kuciukian as a professional dental surgeon, operating on an SWM. Photo supplied by P. Kuciukian. (Artist: Yann Renauld – Moto Verte Magazine) [2]

Testimonials by riders who were contracted to Pietro Kuciukian:

Giovanni Tosco:

Giovanni Tosco on the early SWM.

“Piero Kuciukian and I made friends for the love of the Trial first with the OSSA, and always for the love of the Trial. Kuciu managed to get two hardened regular riders, Sironi and Vergani to build a trial motorbike, which then gave them great satisfaction. At this point he became a great general manager for the racing team. In these few words, I condensed all the greatness of my great friend Pietro Kuciukian.” – Giovanni Tosco, Torino, Italy (Four times Italian National Trials Champion).

Gilles Burgat:

Gilles Burgat, 1981 World Trials Champion (Photo: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontseré)

“I met Piero for the first time in the suburb of Milano in the small town call Rivolta d’Adda. This little town was where the SWM factory had the reparto corso, Racing department for SWM trial. Charles Coutard was their pilot for the world championship,  this was in 1977. SWM was looking for a young lad to ride there 125 trial, I was sixteen at that time and Piero Kuciukian called me to come to Rivolta to try there motorcycle. I immediately fell in love with the SWM and I signed a contract and rode for them the next four years. Later, I won four French championships, one world championship and the famous Scottish Six Days Trial with them and with Piero as the manager.

Piero shared his time between his job as a dentist in Milano and managing the SWM trial team. At that time, I can say Piero was scaring me a little bit, I was still a teenager! He understood that and he managed me in a discreet fashion, always there for me to give me good advice for my races and my career. He was great for me, always looking at the bigger picture.

Until now, if I go to Milano, I try to meet Piero and I think I can consider him as my friend. Piero and his wife Anna Maria are truly a great couple, very smart and classy and wonderful people. Piero is a man of passion and I am happy he was passionate about trial.

During and after my trial career, Piero came to my house in France many times, for family events or just for a visit.  He was always a very good inspiration with his smart comments.

He is a wonderful man.” – Gilles Burgat, France. (1981 World Trials Champion, three times French National Trials Champion and 1981 SSDT winner).

Charles Coutard:

Charles Coutard with Pierto Kuciukian

“For me, Pietro Kuciukian is not only a friend, but also the man who inspired the Swm factory to produce a trials bike! He’s a very learned and intelligent man who has put all his qualities at the service of Swm and Trials.

I don’t think I’d have left the Bultaco factory if it hadn’t been for Pietro’s involvement in the SWM adventure! His confidence and kindness enabled me to endure the difficult period of fine-tuning to become a bike capable of winning a world championship!

I put Pietro on the same level as Don Francisco Bulto in terms of human qualities and passion. Thanks to him, I rediscovered the same feeling of a big family that I had at Bultaco!

Many thanks again to him, whom I hold in the highest esteem.” – Charles Coutard, France (8 times National Trials Champion of France).

Bernie Schreiber:

Pietro Kuciukian and Bernie Schreiber in 1983 – Photo: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontserè.

“Piero Kuciukian and his lovely wife, Anna Maria have been dear friends for 45 years. I was very fortunate they took me into their Milan home like a son shortly after joining SWM. At twenty-two years of age and competing all season on Italjet in 1981, I found myself at the lowest point in my trials career that resulted in sixth in the world.”

Anna Maria & Pierto Kuciukian

“I had lost confidence in the product and felt mentally destroyed after my results. Gilles Burgat just won the World Championship title on SWM with a proven machine and excellent team. Shortly after the season ended, several rumours broke that Burgat was moving to Fantic for the 1982 season opening a factory rider position at SWM.”

“That was seen as an opportunity being based in Italy for the past eighteen months. Piero and I spoke, we discussed conditions, a bike test was organised and a deal was agreed to join the factory team with Martin Lampkin and Danilo Galeazzi for the next two years. Piero was not your typical team manager or Italian to be honest and he played many roles at the factory and with his riders. We quickly became close friends and within a short period of time, I was living in Milan with all the support needed to win events and Championships again.”

Bernie Schreiber with Pietro Kuciukian in 2025.

“Piero was like a European father mentor to me and we could talk about everything from trials to philosophy. His experience, approach to issues and way of thinking changed the course of my life in so many ways. I am ever so grateful to this day for our friendship. We travelled the world together throughout Europe, Australia, Japan, Americas and eventually I learned the Italian language.”

Pierto Kuciukian has always maintained meticulous records and reference work – Photo: Bernard Schreiber.

“1982 was the best season of my career under Piero’s SWM leadership. We didn’t repeat the world championship victory of 1979 which was my main focus, but finished second in the world winning two world rounds and ten podium finishes. The SSDT was not in our agreement, but Piero pushed hard for my appearance in 1982 and after unfriendly discussions we finally agreed. Best decision I had ever made and can’t thank him enough. It’s difficult to imagine being a Trials Legend without winning the SSDT. Other victories were accomplished that year by winning indoor trials, BBC Kickstart, American Championship, British world round all the while working on my book ‘Observed Trials’ with Len Weed.”

SWM action, ridden by Danilo Galeazzi – Photo: Giulio Mauri/Valenti Fontserè.

“1983 was another good year on the new SWM Jumbo. We managed to finish second in the world championship for the third time and also won the American Championship. In 1984, SWM had financial issues, but Piero maintained the team under ‘KK Trials Team’ of which we entered as privateers with an SWM. That was really our last competitive year in the sport and we finished third in the Championship with two World round wins.”

Piero Kuciukian continues to impart knowledge and Bernie Schrieber continues to listen!

“Thank you, Piero, for not only teaching me about trials but also about life. Your wisdom, advice, and mentorship had shaped my character and taught me important life lessons that I carried with me to this day. Your belief in my potential, even when I doubted myself, has been a constant source of motivation through the years. Long live the G.O.A.T. team manager and friend.” – Bernie Schreiber, Zurich, Switzerland. (1979 World Trials Champion, 1982 SSDT winner, Four times American National Trials Champion).

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Bibliography and source recognition:

Wikipedia [1]

Cartoon artist: Yann Renauld from Moto Verte magazine [2]

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Guardian of Trial Memories – Charly Demathieu

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World famous, the manual magnetic scoreboard of Charly Demathieu, wearing his Ecole de Trial Happy shirt provided by TRAP – Transfers Racing Adrien Prato

The Guardian of Trial Memories – Charly Demathieu

Thirty years in the world of trials, if one man has made his mark it’s the Belgian, Charly Demathieu. The absolute reference point for the scorecards at both the Belgian and Spanish Championships as well as all the World rounds, he is the true living memory of our sport. The guardian of trials history he has put his treasured archive on his fabulous website www.trialonline.org This is the story of an encounter with a genuinely passionate individual that does not only live by numbers.

“I was the first minder in the history of trials with Jean-Marie Lejeune.” – Charly Demathieu

“Trialonline has 4000 pages and almost all the results of all the big events since the birth of our discipline.” – Charly Demathieu

Words: Philippe Pilat; Charly Demathieu
Pictures: Eric Kitchen; Colin Bullock and private collections.

Who is Charly Demathieu?

Charly: “I was born on 12th June 1952 at Cheratte (North of Liege – Belgium), in fact I still live there. I followed my humanities course until the sixth year, which is the equivalent of ‘A’ levels in the UK. Then I got my driving licence and I became a truck driver for the Public Welfare Centre of Liege for whom I worked for twenty years. The centre later closed and I found myself as an archivist in a psychiatric hospital, completely different but really not an obvious career change at first but it was a very rewarding experience to live in contact with patients with severe drug and alcohol problems. I learned a lot through these people that we really do not need to be afraid of them, yet they frighten almost everyone … Another twenty years passed very quickly and for the last two years I have been a pensioner, but not quite retired!

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Before the computer revolution, the world trials series was covered by a 400 page book

 

Which is the source of your passion for trials?

Charly: “Oh, I feel a bit like Obelix, I fell into a tiny cauldron filled with a potion (passion!) for the magic of trials. Still in my pram, my mother often took me to see my godfather, Rene Georges, and my cousin Roger ride. Later there was one man who gave me a really genuine passion for the sport, Jean-Marie Lejeune (Eddy Lejeune’s elder brother). In 1975 I was a spectator at the Grand Prix held in Sommieres and Jean-Marie was looking for a driver to take him to the next round in Sweden. It started well and I was soon driving the Lejeune family truck to all the Grand Prix’s and once there I tried to occupy myself so I started making small rankings of the results.

You rode trials in the seventies … why did you stop?

Charly: “I just rode as a Novice and then Intermediate but without any impressive results. In fact at the time I was especially fond of my road cycle. My claim to fame is that I was the first minder in the history of trials with Jean-Marie but my job was so very different from their current duties. I followed my rider between sections with my backpack filled with essentials as this was the time when motorcycles were much less reliable than today. I helped with repairs for Rathmell, Lampkin and Karlson. Solidarity amongst riders was much stronger than today. I was almost never seen in sections, I stood at the ends cards, ready to intervene if necessary. I watched the lines and rides of his competitors but I never set foot inside the section. I remember one time when Jean-Marie made me stand in the middle of a river with water up to my waist to mark the deep hole where he should not ride. We were very close to each other and then we lost contact for nearly fifteen years since I was often on results duty in Spain and rarely in Belgium. We met again by chance in 2011 during the GP of France at Isola 2000.

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1970s shot of (from left) Jean-Marie Lejeune, Charly Demathieu and Jean Lejeune

 

How do you convert from competitor to official – organiser?

Charly: “I rode events for a few years. I drove the Lejeune family to all events using holidays that I could earn by working on other weekends of the year. For a long time I looked after the Belgian Championship but I finally stopped because it took me too much time. I was race director, timekeeper, starter and closer of the event too, you know the one who leaves after the last rider to remove and collect the section markers. I also worked with the setting out of sections; at the time we marked the inter-section route with methylene blue mixed with plaster. You finished the day blue all over; the colour did not want to wash off! I also managed entries for the GP’s, allocation of riding numbers; I standardised the various documents for the Championship so we could use the same media everywhere.

You became the “Grand Vizier” of the scoreboard with your famous magnetic board?

Charly: “It was with Jean-Marie Lejeune that we came up with the idea of a magnetic board to display the scores but I did not actually put into practice until 1982. On one side there were the rankings of the day, on the other those of the Championship and I got to the final result by sliding my magnets up or down. I managed to calculate the score very quickly so when riders brought me their score card I put the results on the famous board and everyone could see where they had finished compared to their competitors in almost real time. I was doing all this alone at many events. At Bilstain for the Belgian GP I arrived with a large format magnetic board that I installed on the podium. The Italians asked me to do the same at their home round: I said yes, then it was the turn of the Finns … and I was away, I did it all over the world. It lasted nearly twenty years and then one day the truck of the Spanish Federation was stolen in Poland along with the famous scoreboard that was in it. I then finally moved onto the computer but suddenly I could not see the riders as I did before and I was no longer on the podium with the public: I was tapping on my keyboard in a corner.

What is your current status? Are you an employee of the FIM, do you still work for the Spanish Federation?
Charly: “I work for the FIM at the World rounds. I am in a team of three with Jordi Pascuet and Jake Miller: it’s a package imposed by the International Federation (FIM), it is not I who makes the decision to go or not to a particular GP. It may not suit the organisers who prefer to use the services of ‘locals’ who are more often than not very competent, but they do not calculate the overall rankings throughout the season. In addition we represent for them a significant cost. A few years ago I took my car and I went to the other end of Europe but with age I can no longer do things in the same way. So the organisers of the GP must support our airfare, accommodation etc… This represents a budget they would like to distribute down to the volunteers already in place. I did the same job for the Spanish Championship for eighteen years; I stopped only four years ago. I was away twenty seven weekends a year. Since I am a pensioner I have more time but there were still two years that I spent all my holidays to travel. I was always away but I loved it. I loved certain events such as the trial of Montmartre in Paris in the nineties. I found it wonderful to be able to bring trials machines here! They should have done the same thing in Barcelona. The urban trial at Cahor’s in France is superb it seems but I never went there. We must find a way to introduce trials to the public who know nothing of our discipline.

What were the various stages or changes in your work?

Charly: “There came a time when I was forced to stop organising events in Belgium due to a lack of time, I was spending so many weekends at the Spanish Championship whilst working at the hospital in Liege during the week. I was often with Jordi Prat; it is we two who have defined the current format of the Trial des Nations. Before we took only the top three total scores of the four members of the team, later we decided to only take into account the three best results of the four teammates in each section. Our principle was tested and finally accepted by Ignacio Verneda then President of the FIM, it was he who insisted on my presence at each Grand Prix. That gave me more time to spend on the road.

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Charly explains the scores to Gas Gas UK boss, John Shirt Jnr at a world round

 

Any anecdotes, vivid memories?

Charly: “Many, inevitably, there are often amazing things that happen at a trial! For example at the GP of San Marino in 2008 when the local club wanted to refuse the technical controls being undertaken by the Italian Federation as it obviously did not please them, they had a real zealous approach, so they thoroughly checked all the dates of various documents (insurance, motorcycle registrations etc) of all foreign riders, it was a massive panic, as some of the riders feared they would be excluded from starting! Eight days later in Foppolo for the Italian Grand Prix, it was again the same controllers; they finished at lightning speed without any real checks. Still at the same event, we went back home on Sunday evening without being able to send out any results. Italian TV had saturated all internet connections; it took ten minutes to send an email of three words.

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1982 Scottish Six Days, Charly with Eddy Lejeune (Honda)

 

You created ‘Trialonline’ and have written dozens of books: you’re a pretty verbose boy!

Charly: “It is only for personal pleasure that I did all that. I’ve always loved creating stories from the passion that I witnessed. I have written fifteen books on Belgian, Spanish and World events, but I have even more to give. I have created a CD Rom containing all the results from around the world, which works in the same way as my website that I created at the request of the FIM in 2004. Since then I keep feeding Trialonline the results of trials in the most diverse countries such as Israel, New Zealand and even some South American countries. I update the results of the latest events even those held last weekend. You click on the flag of a country and you get the corresponding results, you click on the photo of a rider, you know his record. Trialonline has 4,000 pages through which we find almost all the results of all events since the birth of our discipline: it is only missing 21 ranking events!  Sometimes it is very difficult to obtain results; I often prefer to speak to organising clubs rather than National Federations who are not really making big communication efforts in this area. You can find the results of the year, but not those from previous seasons! In France, it is Oliver de la Garoulaye who took the trouble to dig through the archives of the FFM to find the results since the first World round. Here I absolutely have all the results, but only thanks to fans like him, not because of the Federation.

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Charly chats to Thierry Michaud at the Belgian world round in 1988

 

What are your plans for the future?

Charly: “To finalise my archives, finding the 21 results I am still missing. I am also concerned about what will happen if I stop Trialonline work with the FIM. I renew the partnership each year, but I may not want to one day, it worries me to leave because there would be nobody to take it on after me. I’m also a big fan of Asterix: I have 600 volumes published in 42 different languages, I am very proud of my collection and I have some very rare specimens. I need to update my rankings for Trialonline; right now I’m working on a trial in New Zealand. I also plan a new grading program offering a choice between two or three rounds, a variable number of sections, all this is a lot of work.

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Takahisa Fujinami pops into the FIM Press office to say ‘Hi’ to his old friend Charly Demathieu

 

What is the state of health of Belgian trials?

Charly: “As elsewhere, is too often a single person who takes care of everything in his club and when this guy stops, the club dies. We also have the organisation related to ecological constraints that are huge in Belgium, much worse than your problems. For example, in the province of Liege, in the eighties, there were more than ten events per year, now we have only one quarter and in the rest of the country, it is the same problem. There is still a trial in Mons, Aywaille, and Bilstain and in Wavre and that is almost everything. You really have to go to private land such as Bilstain for young people to ride legally. This is the only way forward. Obviously the financial crisis is even worse for young people who have much difficulty in finding the budget to ride. It is certain that Belgian trials have seen better days.

How do you feel about the disappearance of the GP in Belgium?

Charly: “This is something that really saddens me the as last GP was already six years ago and I look forward to the next one in Comblain-au-Pont close to Aywaille on the 13th July this year. At the last Bilstain round there was a strong divergence between the organisers and the FIM in particular with regard to the departure time. Since then the FIM does not want to go back. There was later a GP at Spa – Francorchamps in 2006 but that also ended badly. In the late afternoon there was an anti-doping control which lasted a long time and the prize ceremony could not take place until the test results were known. Inevitably the public became impatient and left without waiting for the podium presentation, the party was spoiled! It struck me as a tough decision as the results had been ready for a long time…. So I’d like to set the record straight, contrary to what has been said by many, it is not the fault of Charly Demathieu that there were no more Belgian GP’s! In 2007 the request by the organisation for a date was too late and the GP has not occurred since. This is obviously very unfortunate, if only because of the central location of our country, it is not such an expensive event for the vast majority of participants.

If you could see the realisation of your three wishes, what would they be?

Charly: “To make the most popular trial by creating attractive and free to spectator trials, so not really like our current indoor circus … Reaching out to people I do not know and of course find the 21 results I miss between 1964 and today.

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Charly Demathieu “I love Yrjo Vesterinen, the first truly professional rider”. Vesty seen here at the 1981 Scottish Six Days in the paddock – Photo: Colin Bullock/CJB Photographic

 

What else would you want to say?

Charly: “I wanted to tell you about my favourite riders. Obviously there is Jean-Marie Lejeune but Mick Andrews for his ability to adapt quickly to different machines whilst remaining competitive. I love Yrjo Vesterinen, the first truly professional rider. I also appreciate Fujinami as he is someone who respects everyone and always passes by to say hello. Thank you and hello, they cost nothing, but it is important to all the hard working enthusiasts who create our sport. I would also like to take my hat off to people who have the courage to write about trials.”

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Charly Demathieu, happy in his work

 

This article was first published in Trial Magazine, France and we thank them for the cooperation and use of this article.

For Charly Demathieu’s Trialsonline website – HERE

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