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Saracen Motorcycles Story

Saracen: historically referred to Arab or Muslim peoples in the Middle Ages, originating from a nomadic tribe near Roman Syria, later used by Europeans for any Muslim during the Crusades.

Saracen founder/director of Saracen (Engineering) Limited, Ron Goodfellow on the 125cc Saracen in 1969. This machine TOU811H was used for publicity photos and press testing – Photo: Saracen Motorcycles.

Words: Trials Guru; the late Deryk Wylde; David Brand; Sammy Miller MBE; Bernie Schreiber; Trevor Kemp; Steve Wilson; Jon Bliss; Don Morley; Peter Salt; Erwan Spiral; Jeff Koskie; John Hart; Jay Lael; Christian Rayer; Nigel D. Green; David McNeil; Jon Griffin; David Pickering; Andrew Cooke.

Read Time: 70 minutes.

Photos: David Brand; Don Morley; Keith Walker; OffRoad Archive; Derek Soden, Wales; Erwan Spiral; Jeff Koskie; Nigel D. Green; David McNeil; Olivier Barjon; Christian Rayer; John Hart; Trevor Kemp; Rob Smith; Jay Lael; Jon Bliss; Ron Goodfellow; Jon Griffin; David Pickering; Andrew Cooke; Yamaha Motor Company; Saracen Motorcycles.

With special thanks to: David Brand; Olivier Barjon; Jon Bliss and Jean Caillou for additional material and information.

Introduction:

The Saracen 125 was the first trials bike I had ever seen, It was in Los Angeles, California, Jeff Koskie had one.” – Bernie Schreiber, 1979 FIM World Trials Champion.

There are three stages to this story of Saracen Motorcycles, not so much a ‘beginning, middle and end’ – it is more of a first stage (Saracen Engineering Ltd), second stage (David Brand & Co Ltd) and thereafter. We bring you the story of a modestly successful small capacity trials, scrambles and enduro machine, built in England, exported overseas with some still being used as they were intended.

A significant part of the first stage was researched, written and published by the late Deryk Wylde, suitably updated and corrected as necessary. [1]

The second and third stages have been researched and compiled by Trials Guru with assistance from trials enthusiasts across the globe, including those who were part of the companies that produced the product. We also spoke with dealers, current and past owners of Saracen motorcycles. Some of the photos exhibited have never been seen prevously.

The late Ralph G.V. Venables, the doyen of off-road motorcycle sport journalists, gave the small capacity two-stroke trials machines the generic description ‘Clockwork Mice‘ in the late 1960s. This unfortunate description stuck for many years to come.

The robust Saracen frame and swinging arm.

The first Stage of Saracen, 1967-1971:

In 1967, a couple of neighbours in Meysey Hampton near Cirencester, were experiencing the problems of wanting to buy a new Bultaco trials model, but ‘enjoying’ the asset of a shiney new mortgage ruled that out!

The novel answer for enthusiasts, Ron Goodfellow and Frank Underwood, was to set about building their own bikes. The late Deryk Wylde spent a pleasant visit with Ron Goodfellow at his home in 2001 on the Cambrian coast recalling those heady days.

Ron Goodfellow designed and built the Saracen motorcycles from 1967. The company built about three hundred machines in total in all of various types, the majority being exported to the USA. Other countries included France and Sweden.

Founder of the company, Ron Goodfellow test rides one of his early production models with the iron barreled 123cc German Sachs engine (TOU811H) in 1969. Photo: Saracen Motorcycles.

The original prototype was a BSA Bantam engined version but supply of British made engines was fraught with difficulty at this time, so Saracen opted for the German made Sachs engines, initially with the Iron barrel, but later the all aluminium engine. They also built a small number of Triumph Tiger Cub powered machines. Saracen also designed a spine framed 100cc American Hodaka engined trail bike.

The Bantam Saracen:

Ron Goodfellow on the very first Saracen, the BSA Bantam engined version – Photo: David Brand Collection.

The first prototype Saracen trials model was constructed from T45 aircraft quality tubing, the original intention was to create a quality rolling chassis with excellent handling characteristics to be sold as a kit.

The Saracen sales sheet from 1967-1968 – Courtesy of Olivier Barjon, France.

Alternatively, sold as individual components into which a variety of motors could be fitted such as the BSA Bantam, Triumph Cub or Villiers units. In the case of the Bantam frame, the height of the power unit meant that the fuel tank could be mounted below the frame top tube to lower the centre of gravity. Ready to go, the plot weighed close to 180 pounds, so was a competitive machine.

The first Saracen prototype (MDD98F), fitted with a BSA Bantam engine. This photo was used for the original sales brochure – Photo Ron Goodfellow.

From the outset, the swinging arms were mounted in eccentric adjusters which meant that chain adjustment was made with a single spanner, to loosen the swinging arm spindle nut, which then allowed the whole swinging arm to move forwards and backwards and set the chain tension without affecting wheel alignment. The sales brochures claimed that chain adjustment could be made ‘from the saddle’.

An interesting photograph of former Triumph factory trials rider, Peter Hammond from Cirencester on an early Villiers engined Saracen (PAD3G) in 1968. The gentleman in the background looks intrigued! Peter lived locally and ran his motorcycle dealership in the Gloucestershire town. Photo: OffRoad Archive.

In the case of the slightly longer frame for the Tiger Cub, of which only a few were made, one of which for Dave Chick, the oil was carried in the frame with the tank formed in reinforced gussets for the steering head.

In September 1968, the retail price of the BSA Bantam, ‘reconditioned and tuned’, engined Saracen was £167 10s 6d in ‘kit’ form. Complete machines less engines were available depending on specification at £135. Frame kits which included swinging arm, adjusters, Timpken taper roller head races and finished in bright nickel plating were made available to customers, a kit suitable for a BSA Bantam was offered at £29 and 15 shillings; for the Villiers engine at £32 and 17 shillings and 6 pence and the Triumph Tiger Cub engine at £34 and 15 shillings. [7]

End of ‘Kit Form’:

Changes in the purchase tax regulations hit the kit form market hard and made Saracen eventually take a leap of faith into the complete machine manufacture market.

A close up of the smaller finned iron barrel type 125cc Sachs engine from a 1969 model. The take off for the speedometer, driven directly from the gearbox can be seen as the black knob above the first letter ‘S’ – Photo David McNeil, USA.

Ron and Frank went to the Sachs factory at Schweinfurt, Germany and bought five units on the spot which they brought back in the boot of the car. Five frames were built, the tubes were cut to the drawings and sent to Technical Tubes in Wimbourne to be bent to drawing. Whilst that was going on, a jig was built at South Cerney where Ron had moved into a bungalow. Imagine the situation when the tubes arrived back in Dorset and slotted straight into the jig, ready for the bronze welding. There were no lugs on the frame to save weight.

Olivier Barjon in France has this very original 1970 Saracen, all alloy motor model built by Saracen Engineering – Photo: Olivier Barjon.

When the first bike was complete, literally hand built, Ron who at the time continued in his job as a lecturer at the agricultural college in Cirencester, took a day off to take the bike to Comerfords, where Bert Thorn and the team had a careful look and promptly ordered three on the spot.

On then to Ken Heanes, who ordered two and bingo, the first five were sold. Putting the next five sets of frames into the process saw the team move into a production mode. They hired a room above a tyre fitting centre in Cirencester. Then a stateside visitor, John Olsen of Cycle Trends of Santa Monica, California, saw the models at Ken Heanes and promptly ordered twenty, effectively becoming the US importer.

The Saracen story was underway. Proper production facilities were essential, so a unit was found at Stafford’s Mill, Thrupp near Stroud, where the five staff that included Jack Galloway and Jon Bliss, started making machines in earnest.

Press Release from 1970 issued by Cycle Trends, the importer of Saracen motorcycles in the USA gives details of Saracen rider success. Photo: Jeff Koskie, USA.

Iron or alloy?:

The 1969 pre-production Saracen (TOU811H) with the iron barrel, note the small speedometer which was driven off the gearbox. Photo: Saracen Engineering.

A significant number of the iron barreled Sachs model were sold, mainly to the United States. When Sachs introduced the alloy barrel and head, with a greater power output, an order for forty models for the States was in hand, so the alloy motors were fitted and a container loaded with the forty bikes. Checking delivery details with the stateside customer, Ron gave him the good news that the bikes had the alloy motor, wherupon the customer said that he didn’t want the alloy motor, but the iron barreled model, and it was the cost of that thwarted shipment of forty bikes that proved impossible to fund that would eventually take the company down.

The Sachs alloy motor:

Working through the five-speed gearbox, the output of the Iron top end Sachs was around 15 bhp, which was a cool 35-40% greater than the average Villiers supplied for trials use. So allied with the light weight, the bike was quite pokey, and suited the likes of Jon Bliss. In terms of specification, the wheelbase was 52 inches and the ground clearance a genuine ten and a half inches. The frame, initially cold drawn seamless 17 gauge tubing, which proved to be far more robust in trials use. The fork travel was six and a half inches and the standard rear suspension was Girling. Outwardly, the cylinder finning on the all-alloy engine was appreciably larger that the preceeding iron version.

Production:

Ron Goodfellow remembered one of the aspects of their production efforts: “Everything was very much hand-to-mouth, we bought all sorts of machine tools second-hand. Indeed there wasn’t a new piece of equipment in the place. Typical was the creation of the little ‘D’ shaped lugs that supported the rear mudguards, chainguards, and the like. There were about twenty on each bike and we used to cut them by hand and file them to shape. Then we saw a hydraulic press for sale for £40, so we bought it and got Boughan Engineering, Chris Stagg in those days, to make a cutter that would stamp out the ‘D’ shape. That made it all so simple we made so many we were able to sell them to other manufacturers.”

Rob Smith from Derby on his 1969 Saracen (YRC2H) in 1971 – Photo: Rob Smith.

Press coverage:

Jack Galloway had won the Welsh national St. David’s trial in 1970 which brought the small capacity Saracen to the notice of the trials press and the trials machine buying public at the time.

Cycle World in the USA [5] ran an interesting test on the Saracen in their March 1970 edition, penned by well-known English journalist Max King who did a series of articles for the North American publication on several machines and various articles on the sport.

The test machine was TOU811H, a 125cc Sachs iron barrel model which appeared to be used for publicity purposes. King had enlisted a local friend, John Poate to compare the Saracen with a 1969 250cc Bultaco at an XHG Tigers club event near Bournemouth. Overall, King was very impressed with the performance of the Saracen. It is interesting to note in Max’s article that the engine in the test bike was the oil injection variant (Sachs 1251/5A) which was offered as an option. King also mentions in the report that Saracen Engineering also made agricultural machinery at the same time as producing motorcycles.

The French Connection:

The French Saracen importer was multiple French Trials Champion, Christian Rayer who had ridden for Greeves and Montesa, assisting in the development of their Cota 247 model in 1968. Rayer had a trials shop called ‘Motos 92’ and it was from here that he received machines from Saracen.

Multiple French national trials champion, Christian Rayer was the French importer of Saracen in 1971. Here is Christian trying a Saracen Highlander in France – Photo: Christian Rayer Collection.

Christian Rayer: “I was the importer of Saracen motorcycles in 1971 with my shop in Paris. But there was more to it than just importing the British built Saracen. I was approached by Yamaha to develop a trials motorcycle for them. I had the first frame of my prototype for the first Yamaha Trial, manufactured by Saracen in England.

Publicity shot of Christian Rayer demonstrating the lightness of the Saracen Highlander in April 1971 for the French press – Photo: Christian Rayer Collection.

This was also in 1971, which I used to compete in the French and European championships. I quickly developed it further by working directly with the Japanese factory to arrive at the final TY model, which went on sale in 1973. When Mick Andrews arrived at Yamaha to become their factory rider, the machine was already completely finished in its final form for 1974 customers to buy, this was before he transformed it with the cantilever version and gave it a much different look.” – Christian Rayer

It is interesting that Saracen had a hand in the development of a model by the giant Yamaha concern, it gave the Japanese factory an initial platform to start from.

Christian Rayer on the first prototype Yamaha Trial in 1971, with chassis by Saracen – Photo: Yamaha Motor Company

Rayer then made a second Yamaha Trial prototype, this machine was based on the OSSA chassis which had of course been developed by Mick Andrews who then moved to Yamaha.

Jack Galloway on his factory Saracen during the 1971 Scottish Six Days Trial on ‘Achintee’ on the lower slopes of Ben Nevis. A bicycle tyre pump, strapped to the frame downtube clearly visible – Photo: Keith Walker.

Saracen at the 1971 SSDT:

There was a solitary Saracen entered for the 1970 Scottish Six Days Trial, that of David Banks, son of Monty Banks who ran J M Banks Motorcycles of Cambridge Heath, East London, David’s riding number was 160 and was entered under the Grasshopper (Chingford) MCC on a 150cc model, unfortunately David isn’t listed in the results as a finisher.

From August 1970, several improvements were made which included beefing up the swing arm spindle to 17mm with heavy duty nylon bushings, the option of both types of Sachs engine could be specified, the ‘Standard Trials’ with the iron barrel and ‘De-Luxe’ with the all-alloy unit. The fibreglass side panels were introduced and the whole chassis was now nickel plated.

The smartly turned out ‘Team Saracen’, the Saracen manufacturer’s official team at Gorgie Market, Edinburgh prior to the 1971 Scottish Six Days Trial. Left to right: Jack Galloway; Steve Wilson and Jon Bliss – Photo: Saracen Motorcycles.

The following year, Saracen Engineering entered a three rider team for the 1971 Scottish Six Days, consisting of Jack Galloway, born at Yarm-on-Tees, North Yorkshire and a former member of the Parachute Regiment. Galloway had left the British Army in 1970, moved to Cheltenham and began working for Saracen Engineering building machines at the Stroud production unit, he remained there for two years.

Jack Galloway (125 Saracen) on ‘Edramucky’ on Day one of the 1971 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: OffRoad Archive.

The other two members were Jon Bliss from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, also an employee of Saracen and Birmingham’s Steve Wilson who worked at Elstar motorcycles at Oldbury and who had been scrambling a Cheney BSA, having his sights firmly focussed on the Shell Under 21 championship. Wilson was a latecomer to the party in that he had been posting some good results on the Vale-Onslow supplied 125 Saracen which he received in the February of 1971. The Saracen had been acquired as a trade-in and issued to Steve to compete as a dealer supported rider. This included an outright win at the Amman Valley Club, E. J. W trial at Gwynfe, Carmarthen in early 1971. The machines ridden by Galloway and Bliss were factory bikes.

The 1971 Saracen Engineering sales brochure front cover.

Albeit the sales brochure hailed the Saracen 125 as ‘Super Trials’, the company looked to have decided to give the model another name, the ‘Highlander’ this was prior to the 1971 SSDT. The model name was mentioned by tester and staffman, Peter Fraser in the Motor Cycle of 7th April 1971 when testing Galloway’s earlier works mount, registered WAD32J the frame of which had the tubes under the engine. The retail price in kit form in April 1971 was £265. [2]

Jack Galloway on day one of the 1971 Scottish Six Days on ‘Edramucky’ on the slopes of Ben Lawers in Perthshire on the factory Saracen. He finished the event with a very creditable top ten placement. – Photo: Keith Walker

Both Galloway and Bliss being employed at the factory, had bang up to the minute, but tested works machines for the Six Days. Galloway was on XDF9J and Bliss on WDD63J both registered in Gloucester, both the frames on these machines had alloy sump plates and no frame tubes below the engine, similar to what Sammy Miller had done to the Bultaco Sherpa frame to create his ‘Hi-Boy’ version. Wilson’s Vale-Onslow machine had the standard production frame with tubes under the engine and was Birmingham registered as WOF5J.

All three machines were using the 125cc all alloy Sachs engines. The riders were issued with the new style TT Leathers ‘Rufryda’ red trials suits with a ‘Team Saracen’ badge sewn on the right shoulder area. These were the first coloured trials suits to be seen at the SSDT.

Steve Wilson:Although I was in the official factory team for the 1971 Scottish Six days, the Saracen I rode was supplied second-hand by Vale Onslows in Birmingham. Russel Gough, a great sign writer did the paint stripes on the tank and side panels. I had fitted a Honda 50 front hub, a Montesa front mudguard and my frame had the tubes and not a bash plate under the engine, which was wearing out by the time the Scottish came around. I did put extra tubing under the engine to protect the crankcases from damage. I then built and rode the Saracen framed ‘Valon’ with the special Bonkey Bowers replica Bantam engine in late 1971 and rode it until my Vale-Onslow Ossa arrived in February 1972. I remember that I lost eight marks on the Town Hall Brae, having chosen second gear for the climb, the engine started to gas up, so I started footing to get through the first section, but the engine suddenly died when in the second sub.

Top ten finish:

The Saracen team members did exceptionally well with Jack Galloway being the top performer of the trio coming back to the finish at Edinburgh’s Blackford Hill with the capacity class win up to 150cc and an eighth position overall, losing 66 marks, a solid performance. Next was Jon Bliss in forty-sixth place with 147 marks lost and Steve Wilson in sixty-seventh position on 190 marks lost. Three riders started and three finished.

Saracen Engineering used a photo of factory employee and works rider, Jack Galloway on their 1971 sales brochure.

As documented elsewhere, Wilson moved on to ride the 250cc Ossa for Vale-Onslows and Bliss continued to ride a Saracen for David Brand. In the 1972 SSDT, Jon Bliss still riding a Saracen (CUR12K) with riding number 206 and finished in sixty-seventh position on 250 marks, with the Saracen company owner David Brand in one-hundreth position on 309 marks riding a 125. Jack Galloway had by this time moved on and was competing on a 247cc Montesa before joining Don Smith’s factory Kawasaki team for 1973.

The second stage of Saracen – Brand Reborn:

The Saracen ‘Invader’ 199cc publicity photograph taken by ace photographer, DON MORLEY for David Brand and Company in 1973. Photo: Don Morley/Hitchcock’s Motorcycles.

The remnants of Saracen (Engineering) Limited were eventually sold by the official receivers to David Brand and Company Limited, who ran a builders supply company in Watford, in 1972. Brand bought the rights to use the name, Saracen and also attended the liquidation auction where he bid for and purchased redundant stock which included complete frames and other items. ‘Saracen Competition’ became a division of Brand’s company.

David Brand campaigning his own product, the 225cc Saracen Invader at the Santigosa Three Day Trial in Spain in 1973 – Photo: David Brand Collection.

David Brand naturally moved the production south to Old’s Approach, Tolpits Lane, Watford, Hertfordshire, but by then the domination of the world’s trials markets by the Spanish Bultaco, Montesa and Ossa brands was considerable. Much has been written implying that this was the fundamental reason why Saracen eventually ceased production. But there was much more to it than just that. By June 1972, the pound to Deutsch Mark exchange became unfavourable with Chancellor Anthony Barber abandoning fixed exchange rates, called the ‘Bretton Woods’ system, allowing the pound sterling to float on the open money markets.

So who is David Brand and what really happened to Saracen?

David Brand: How did I become interested in motorcycle trials? Good question, I’m not sure, possibly due to competing in cyclo cross events as a teenager. I started riding a DOT in 1959, a James Captain and then a 197cc Norman which had the leading link front forks. These were replaced by BSA forks and the engine was bored out to 225cc. This combination suited my style of riding and resulted in quite a few awards. Then followed a number of Triumph Tiger Cubs, an ex-Ken Streeter AJS, a 250cc Royal Enfield and then a 250cc Bultaco.

To sum up my ability, I was not in the league of the top riders of the time, in part there was no opportunity to ride on rocks in the south midland centre. Nevertheless, I won a couple of open to centre and meteor group trials. Time and Observation was my forte, I think I won every one I competed in, notably winning with fastest overall time on a 90cc Honda.”

I had the desire to compete in the International Six Days Trial and so I rode in the Welsh Two Day on a 125cc Saracen in 1973 and in anticipation of riding in the ISDT the following year, I built a 50cc Saracen with Sachs engine and won the up to 100cc class in the Welsh. Prior to the event, Rond Sachs in Belgium approached me to build their new design frames, so a prototype frame was adapted to the fifty. The bike was going well in the Italian ISDT in 1974, I think I was the only 50cc running at the end of the day, but unfortunately I struck a rock with my left boot which resulted in retirement and many months of inactivity followed. My son Mark campaigned the 50cc Saracen with smaller wheels fitted in schoolboy events with success against much larger engined machines. Having restored the bike, I kept it and is still in my possession.”

David Brand was kind enough to contribute directly to this article, particularly commenting on the ‘Invader’ models and some special machines which he manufactured, which corrects previous articles published elsewhere:

David Brand: The Saracen Watford story begins with my interest in ‘Clockwork Mice’, having owned a Gaunt Suzuki, a Honda 90 and a Clive Mills 200cc Honda.

My business involved marketing central heating, plumbing equipment and bathrooms. The core business was importing central heating radiators. We offered a curving and angling service, each order being tailor made from a template, which meant it was not possible to pre-make anything. As the trade was seasonal, it sometimes proved difficult to keep my four skilled welders employed. So I was looking for a product which required welding and could be put into stock.”

I then heard of Saracen’s liquidation sale. I contacted the receiver and purchased the name Saracen and the jigs, then purchased most of the stock in trade at the displenishing sale.”

Getting started:

David Brand:The finished frames, from memory a dozen or so, that were obtained at the sale were completed and sold. In the meantime, the frame jig was modified to suit the new under shield, the same as the Saracen works bikes. Simultaneously, fibreglass petrol tanks became outlawed. An alloy tank was sourced and air filter redesigned with alloy side panels. The 123cc Sachs engine lacked power, so I had the engine bored out to 199cc, Metal Profiles undertook this task. The original cylinder head was retained which resulted in high compression, this made the engine prone to stall easily. To overcome this, weight was added to the flywheel. Smaller diameter REH alloy hubs and black VF mudguards finished off the Invader model.

The 1973 Scottish Six Days entry list viewed like a sea of Bultaco, Montesa and Ossa motorcycles, but there were three Saracens entered. Number 42: Billy McMaster Junior, son of W.A. ‘Billy’ McMaster, the Irish Representative to the Fédération Internationale Motocycliste (FIM) and a member of their CSI (International Sporting Commission), was entered by Saracen Motor Cycles and riding under the Farnham Royal club based in Buckinghamshire, albeit Billy was brought up in Belfast. He was entered by Saracen Motor Cycles on the 125cc Saracen ‘Invader’. Billy was twenty-seventh placed on 153 marks for the week. It is possible that Billy McMaster was receiving support from the dealers, Windsor Comp Shop in Slough at this time.

Carrying a Buckinghamshire registration number and entered by the manufacturers, the late Billy McMaster Junior in the 1973 Scottish Six Days Trial on the 125cc Saracen Invader. Note the much smaller REH front hub, available from 1972 on this model compared to earlier Saracens. – Photo: OffRoad Archive.

Number 126: David E.S. Brand, the company owner on a 248cc Saracen riding under the Leavesden club of which he was chairman for many years, he finished in one-hundred and ninth place on 375 marks.

David Brand on the Saracen Invader in the 1973 Scottish Six Days Trial on ‘Ben Nevis’ – Photo: David Brand Collection.

Private entrant, issued number 142 was P. Butler of the Middlesbrough club on a 125 Saracen, who finished in eighty-sixth place on 336 marks.

What’s in a name?

During the research for this article, we found the following names to describe models of the Saracen which ranged from: ‘Super Trials’ to ‘Standard’ and ‘De-Luxe’ to ‘Highlander’ and finally one that stuck, ‘Invader’!

David Brand:Many people have asked the question why I chose the name ‘Invader’ for the second series Saracen.”

In the middle ages, Saracens were invaders, renowned for horsemanship, utilising speed and manoeuverability, so the name Invader seemed appropriate.”

How Saracen came to a final closure:

Last ditch effort with the Mickmar 250

David Brand: Various accounts of the Saracen story, written in books and magazines are not very accurate. To put the record straight, during the years 1972-1975, we had the 1974 miner’s strike and industry was only allowed to work three days a week. The pound was devalued in 1972 and interest rates had soared. Consequently, the cost of the Sachs engines was just not viable. Common sense prevailed and the Saracen trials bike ended.”

The smart and purposeful looking prototype Saracen Mickmar 250 in September 1973 still with REH drum brakes fitted and the twin downtube front frame visible. This was the bike that was supposed to save Saracen, instead it actually finished the marque – Photo: David Brand Collection.

I did however continue to search for another suitable engine, then I came across the new Mickmar 250cc motor designed by Michael Martin.”

Detail of the alloy air box arrangement of the Saracen Mickmar from 1973 showing an AMAL Concentric carburetor has been fitted – Photo: David Brand Collection.

“I thought all my Christmases had arrived at once, a British made engine of two-fifty displacement. Build the prototype and incorporate a front disc brake.”

Offside view of the neatly built Saracen Mickmar prototype in 1973 – Photo: David Brand Collection

“Unfortunately the Mickmar was virtually unrideable, the gearbox was full of neutrals and the front disc brake arrangement was not a lot better, both required much more development. It was a great shame as the complete motorcycle looked fantastic.”

Nearside of the 1973 Saracen Mickmar, now in the private ownership of Trevor Kemp – Photo: David Brand Collection

We also built a CCM 500cc trials bike as a one-off for a customer, but I have no idea what happened to it.”

Special build! Both side views of the one-off Saracen CCM 500 – Photo: David Brand Collection.

It wasn’t quite the end of Saracen. I continued making a small number of horse drawn carriages unsurprisingly called ‘Saracens’. When I stopped competing with horses, that really was the very end of Saracen at Watford.” – David Brand

Following the final demise of Saracen motorcycles, David Brand still required a hobby as his plumbing and building supplies company went from strength to strength, so he threw his enthusiasm into a new sport for him, Horse Driving trials, four in hand, a class dominated by HRH Prince Philip and David became British Driver’s Champion on multiple occasions. A different kind of trials. The company, Brands of Watford Limited is still very much in business, David Brand having sold the company when he retired aged fifty-seven. He did have a try at Pre65 motorcycle trials with a very well sorted Triumph 500cc twin as well as car racing with a Lotus 22 and taking up Historic Sporting Car Trials using a Cannon.

David Brand racing a Type 22 Lotus – Photo: David Brand Collection.

Saracen specifications:

The Saracen in production form by 1971 was a smart looking trials motorcycle, the frames were single downtube, finished in Nickle plating and adorned with a bright red glassfibre fuel tank and on later versions, the matching side panels.

Early models had the full cradle frame with tubing under the engine, but by early 1971 the works bikes’ frames had the alloy sump plate made popular when Sammy Miller had modified the Bultaco Sherpa frame to create the ‘Hi-Boy’ variant. The frames normally utilised a single downtube to cradle the engine, as the Sachs motor had an offset exhaust port. Subsequent frames made for the Mickmar engine as an example, would require a twin-spar downtube to accommodate centralised exhaust ports.

Irishman, the late Billy McMaster Junior fixing his riding number at the ‘weigh-in’ for the 1973 Scottish Six Days at Edinburgh’s Gorgie Market with his new Saracen Invader, fitted with the then popular Renthal alloy handlebars of six and a half inch rise. Mudguards were state of the art black plastic components made by Vacuum Formers. – Photo: OffRoad Archive.

The polished alloy fork legs and conical polished alloy, six inch diameter REH wheel hubs set the machines apart from the then current offerings from Spain.

The British made REH (Robin E. Humphries) six inch diameter conical rear hub of the type used by Saracen. Smaller diameter versions were available from 1972 onwards.

Dunlop chrome plated steel wheel rims, WM1 front and WM3 rear, were used, later models such as the Invader were shod with aluminium alloy rims front and rear. REH front forks were used initially on some machines with later bikes fitted with the MP Metal Profile ‘S600’ forks. Later models used the smaller five inch diameter REH conical hubs, available from 1972 onwards. All up weight was a miserly 169 pounds according to Peter Fraser’s test of the factory ‘Highlander’ of Jack Galloway. [2] The steering head used one inch taper roller bearings. Later versions were fitted with aluminium alloy fuel tanks given that the UK government in 1972 outlawed non-metal fuel tanks on motorcycles for road use. The speedometer was driven directly from the gearbox, saving a long speedo cable.

The revised ‘Invader’ model eventually utilised the Sachs six-speed 175cc GS engine, also intended as a power plant for military use in the German Hercules motorcycle. This modified engine for the Saracen received a brass ring on the flywheel and a larger counter weight on the clutch side of the crankshaft, this was done to improve the bottom end performance. All Saracens built under David Brand’s ownership were fitted with frames that had no tubing under the engine and employed the alloy sump plate, exactly like the factory machines ridden in the 1971 season by both Galloway and Bliss.

Carburation was taken care of by a German Bing 24mm carburettor, later models, a 26mm version.

The BING 1/24/153 24mm carburettor as used on the Saracen with 125cc Sachs engine.

The 123,5cc engine sported a compression ration of 9:1 with an all square bore of 55mm and stroke of 55mm. The 1970 specification stated 12.5 bhp at 7,300 rpm, this increased to a claimed 18 bhp on 1971 versions. The swinging arm was initially mounted on rubber bonded bearings, later models used nylon bushings. Machines were supplied with Girling oil damped suspension units. 1970 model year machines were devoid of side panels and a mesh air cleaner looked after air filtration. Later models were fitted with side panels fabricated from glassfibre resin and sponge type filtration, accessed by a separate detachable panel. The exhaust system on early models was as a straight pipe to a ‘Peco’ style silencer, later models had a more efficient expansion chamber system fitted.

Diversification:

Saracen had dabbled a fair bit with the emerging Enduro market which started out in the USA and the firm had established connections there. The Sachs engine was suited to enduro work. Even under David Brand’s stewardship, he too looked at this market segment.

The 125cc Saracen Enduro, based on the trials bike – Photo: David Brand Collection.

Jon Bliss on Saracen:

Well-known trials rider, Jon Bliss from Cheltenham had been involved in plumbing and heating as a trade, but jumped at the opportunity to work for and build trials bikes with Saracen in Cirencester, not far from his home in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He would ride the Scottish Six Days twice on Saracen, then a third and final time at aged 50 in 1989 on a 250cc GasGas.

Cheltenham’s Jon Bliss on the factory Saracen in 1971 – Photo: Jon Bliss Collection.

Jon Bliss:I worked at Saracens from 1970 until 1973, I suppose my job title was ‘Works Dog’, actually it was ‘Production Engineer’ – I did all the engineering to produce all the jigs to fabricate the components to make the frames and swingarms. The most difficult was the alloy barrel engines which had a central exhaust port. The factory in Cirencester was on the third floor and no lift system, so everything had to be carried up to the factory floor and all the completed bikes taken down the stairs for despatch. I was involved when the all-alloy engine was being used.

It was quite an agricultural process in some ways, there was no hydraulic tube bender, it was a Hilmore tube bender with battens screwed to floor in a circle to obtain purchase and the use of a ten-foot scaffold pole to bend the tubing. When we moved to Thrupp near Stroud, we had a lot more room. I made boxfuls of frame parts that David Brand purchased for probably a fraction of the cost of producing.

Ron purchased a fifty-ton press and my job en̈tailed making ǰigs to produce the cams on the spindle ends which allowed for chain adjustment.

Jon Bliss standing beside his factory Saracen at the Scottish Six Days Trial, this particular bike was fitted with Marzocchi front forks, which were modified road items.

The factory team bikes ridden in the 1971 Scottish had altered frames with a six millimeter thick alloy sump shield and no tubes under the engine. I did my own and Jack Galloway’s frames. The modifications had to be done in the evening at the factory, as all the equipment was there and I did it in my own time. The six millimeter sump shield I designed followed the shape of the engine which had ribs underneath and eliminated the front down tube bend and the two bends on the side tubes, so consequently didn’t increase manufacturing costs very much. I told Ron Goodfellow that this was the way to go and get the jig altered to start making these frames to raise the ground clearance on the production bikes. Ron just couldn’t be convinced, he didn’t get the idea, he feared that it would put the price of the bike up. I told him to increase the price, they were retailing for around £235, whereas the Greeves Pathfinder was selling around £275 and the Saracen was a much better bike overall. My friend, Scott Ellis tried hard to improve the Greeves, but it was never a patch on the Saracen. You could rev the Sachs engine all day and they would take it, you couldn’t do that with the Puch engine. Ron said that he was under-cutting the Greeves to out-sell them, whereas I knew that by providing a trials rider with a slightly more expensive bike that rode and performed better, was definitely the way to go. He simply couldn’t get his head around that and I knew the Americans would have loved the bike with the modernised frame. I always wished that Sachs had made a full two-fifty engine, that would have made such a difference.

The electro plating of the frames and swinging arms was carried out by a local company which was about a mile from the Saracen works at Thrupp.”

I met Stan Dibben of sidecar road race fame who by then was the new NGK spark plug rep. Jack Galloway and my bikes were gobbling up Champion spark plugs at an alarming rate, he gave us a box of B77HC NGKs, we only used one each ever!

Eventually I altered the frame jig to make the frames without under engine tubing and all the later ‘Invader’ bikes were built with these later frames, many from the stock that David Brand had bought at the auction.

The Marzocchi forks had parallel clamps, so I made angled bearing holders to move the front wheel spindle forward about twenty millimetres to decrease the trail, a very intricate operation.

I worked with Frank Underwood, he was a former scrambles rider. My original Saracen (WDD63J) had a five-speed engine, which had much better torque than my later six-speed model (CUR12K).

I left Saracen some time after David Brand had taken over production and I started my own motorcycle shop in Gloucester called Cotswold Motorcycles. It was opened by Don Smith who was quite a character. I liked Don, he was a good rider and a good friend. By the time Don opened my shop, he was employed by Kawasaki as a sales rep and development rider and tried unsuccessfully to get me to take on a Kawasaki agency, but I was happy with Yamaha and Piaggio, and selling and riding the Saracen for David Brand.” – Jon Bliss

Steve Wilson on Saracen:

Steve Wilson on the Vale Onslow 125cc Saracen in the 1971 SSDT, you can see the small Honda 50 front brake, Montesa Cota front mudguard and the frame tubes under the engine. Man with the camera in the background is Nick Nicholls.

Steve Wilson:There is a saying, ‘if it looks right, it generally is right.’ The Sachs Saracen of the early 1970s, it did look right. A quality tube, T45, neatly fillet brazed and finished in bright nickel plating. Either by luck or great design judgement, it had a steeper than average steering head angle, more like today’s bikes really and the steering was superb. We could easily pivot turn the bike because it was so lightweight overall. Innovative chain adjustment at the swinging arm pivot point by eccentric snail cams, meant you could change the height of the pivot point to aid wheel grip, and they did grip well.

The big alloy barreled Sachs engine gave good grip. The riding style of the time was rev it in first gear in most sections, as there was no surplus power left to spin the wheel. The bikes were beautifully finished with red fibre glass components, a low engine position by the standards of what was to follow but very comfortable stand up riding position, and competitive in the right hands. In my opinion a step forward by David Brand making a bike better than its 125 mini predecessors like the Sprite, Dalesman, and even the Greeves Pathfinder. Incidentally, a fillet brazed frame was air tight internally, apart from open ends like steering head. A good plating company back in the day would copper dip, nickel plate the thick bit, then Chrome plate the thin bit. All this should be rust and weather resistant. Many frames have survived forty to fifty years because of all the above.

Steve Wilson coaxes his 125cc Saracen up ‘Pipeline’ in the 1971 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: Keith Walker

I built the Saracen for Len Vale-Onslow senior with a Mickmar engine in 1974 and tested it marking out the British Experts course in Wales with Ross Winwood in November 1974.

Press cutting detailing the Vale-Onslow Saracen Mickmar in 1974. Photo: Steve Wilson Archive.

Len senior who we all referred to as ‘Mister’ he commissioned the Mickmar build, I can even remember I charged them £70 for all the work done. I told them that it’s fragile in the gearbox department and suggested to Vale-Onslows that they get Alan Wright to ride it which they did for the 1974 – 1975 winter season.

Welsh Two-Day action in 1972, Steve Wilson on the 125 Saracen enduro machine – Photo: Derek Soden.

David Brand of Saracen approached Bonkey and I to see if we would ride in the 1972 Welsh Two-Day as he was building a couple of enduro bikes of which the Sachs engine was well suited to. We agreed and the bikes came with very large speedometers with very long speedo cables and bulb horn and large alloy tanks. We set about preparing them and entered the event.”

Steve Wilson pressing on with his 125cc Saracen enduro at the 1972 Welsh Two Day Trial – Photo: Derek Soden

“Bonkey managed to lose his chain completely in a deep ditch, he never found the chain, so he retired. I got through day one, so they allowed Bonkey to follow me round on day two. I proceeded to wipe myself out drifting through a series of bends and managed to crash heavily, hurting my shoulder. Bonkey appeared on the scene and whipped my helmet off. Then Andy Roberton stoopped and asked if I needed an ambulance? I said I was OK, but I had concussion due to a bang on the head. Game over! Bonkey was bitten by the enduro bug and I guess that Saracen ride set him up to ride successfully in those events thereafter.” – Steve Wilson

Mike ‘Bonkey’ Bowers on the 125cc Saracen at the 1972 Welsh Two Day Trial – Photo: Derek Soden

Sammy Miller MBE on Saracen:

We have been supplied with a press feature that was used by Saracen to promote their product, a machine test and report by eleven times British and twice European Trials Champion, Sammy Miller. [6]

Sammy Miller MBE testing the Saracen in late 1971. Photo: David Brand Collection.

‘Harassing Saracens’ by Sammy Miller.

The Saracens had a reputation for harassing more powerful enemies and this is exactly what new manufacturer David Brand plans to do with his Sachs-engined one-two-five. One of the most attractive foreign-powered trials bikes made in Britain, the Saracen now sports a six-speed gearbox which provides usable ratios for the rough stuff and the road. Very wisely, the revivalist of a make which seemed doomed to disappear has made a few changes to the original specifications of a machine on which Jack Galloway finished eighth in the Scottish Six Days. With its orange-red glass fibre and bright nickel frame, the Saracen is a high quality product designed to stand the rigours of an all-weather sport. Price is £252 in kit form.

The 52 inch wheel base is about the best compromise. Shorter machines tend to lift the front wheel without provocation. During the test, on my practice ground, near Christchurch, Hants., the handling could not be faulted.

Thanks to a 10 1/2 inch ground clearance, rock sections presented no problem but, as with all 125s, the small engine was inclined to struggle on steep climbs.

Gear ratios range from a 44.6 bottom to a 11.9 to 1 top. This provides a good spread of available power, first and second being the most usable cogs for observed sections.

Third gear is a shade too high for anything except unusually flat mud but the sheer guts of the motor enabled me to crest severe gradients in second gear. Top gear was good for 60-65 mph on the road.

Though retaining buzzy characteristics of previous Sachs units, the engine packed a lot of top end power. The test bike was fitted with a normal contact breaker but the first batch of production jobs from Watford will have transistorised ignition.

The Saracen breathes through a 26mm Bing carburetter and a well conceived air filter with detachable cover in the glass fibre centre section.

Silencing was well above average for a 125. Exhaust noise was about the same level as that of a 250 trials machine and well within the ACU decibel limit which comes into force in the New Year.

Travel of a rather high geared kickstarter is restricted by a folding footrest. It took me a little time to master the technique but starting was generally a first prod affair requiring little effort.

The combination of alloy folding pegs and five inch lift handlebar gave a good riding position from which I appreciated luxurious Amal light alloy levers and nylon cables. The MP 600 series telescopic forks worked smoothly and Sprite brakes on both wheels were waterproof. If anything, the bike was over-braked, a good point on any machine.

Standard equipment includes steel rims and a prop stand neatly tucked away on the left, which really does its job.

Timpken taper roller bearings are fitted to the steering head while the rear suspension is pivoted on nylon bushes.

Girling rear suspension legs with a rating of 60 to 90 lb proved ideal. The bike was an aggressive little rock bug with no vices on teasing out-crops.

An admirable choice for the beginner to whom a 250 could prove too much of a handful. The Saracen is light, reliable, and well finished job with adequate power.

Not least of its attributes is the sales policy of the man responsible for perpetuating the name. David Brand is acutely aware of the importance of after sales service and he intends to carry a full range of engine and cycle spares.

I am sure this will pay dividends for there is nothing more disappointing to a customer than owning a bike and being unable to enjoy it because of poor service.” – Sammy Miller

Don Morley and the Saracen’s achilles’ heel:

I am of the opinion they were THE best handling of the Mini Bikes of their time and I did test one at one stage. I also decided to actually buy one, if I could minus engine, with the view to then altering the frame fittings so to take a 200cc Triumph Tiger Cub engine instead.

However I did not do so in the finish because it became obvious the Saracen frame had one particular design fault, being the swinging arm fixing and more especially the swinging arm spindle. To me the swingarm itself was too spindly and weak.

As I recall quite a few who did actually buy these otherwise lovely little early bikes suffered this fate. I can’t remember the full details now but seem to remember the swing arm spindles or swing arm gave problems. And again if I remember correctly it was not possible for most to be able to cure, not least as it would need a new and heftier swing arm assembly which could also allow for the fitting of a much larger diameter and stronger spindle. Other than that, a beautifully finished motorcycle.” – Don Morley

Derek Cranfield, motorcycle dealer on Saracen:

Former Comerford’s man and owner of Len Savage Motorcycles, Derek Cranfield is a Trials Guru VIP

I had a shop in Farnborough, Hampshire, trading as Len Savage Motorcycles, we were one of the first Saracen dealers in the south and I was one of the first to ride one. It was my first trials bike with the brake on the right and the gear-lever on the left, frightening! When going down a small road in Devon, a car came quite fast the other way, I went to brake, stabbed down on the gear lever instead. Those Saracens could rev!” – Derek Cranfield

Active trials rider in the 1960s and 70s, John A. Davies from Llandrindod Wells, Wales:

John A. Davies setting off on his DMW from Edinburgh’s Gorgie Market at the start of the 1963 SSDT – Photo: Mike Davies

I received a Saracen issued by the factory for a short period, but I was asked to compete with it at all the National trials, especially the trade supported ones. I politely declined this offer with appreciation of a bike with spares, as I was a newly family man and had started our business in April 1965. I wasn’t financially fit enough to have time off, especially Saturdays which were the best day of the week for us.

I asked to buy a new Saracen which they sold me at a special price and I rode it with a lot of success here in Wales or gave a good account of my little Saracen, where maybe the opposition wasn’t too strong too often although we had a lot of Midland and Western Centre riders frequently which we fought against in Welsh Trials. The late Roger Maughfling of Superprox sold sprockets to Saracen and he was the instigator of my Saracen ‘works’ bike originally. The boss man, Ron Goodfellow was a real gentleman and a proper engineer, he really knew his stuff, but sadly didn’t have, I understand, the business acumen to deal with the running of his factory and in a very short time it closed down. To my mind at the time, they should never have gone as they were a very nicely engineered motorcycle and a good engineer behind them, which should have succeeded but sadly didn’t.” – John A. Davies

Five times ACU Cheshire Centre Trials Champion, Peter Salt:

Some thirty five years ago, I came across a Sprite and Saracen that had been stored in a cellar of an engineering business in an old cotton mill at Congleton, Cheshire which had flooded when the nearby river burst its banks. The bikes needed completely stripping down to make sure there was no ongoing damaged caused by the water ingress. The frame was well protected by the nickle plating and the bike was quite an easy restoration. I still have both these bikes, but never used them for competition.” – Peter Salt

Trevor Kemp, formerly of Honda UK, Silkolene and Yamaha Factory Racing and the Saracen Mickmar:

Trevor Kemp worked for Honda UK and Silkolene, seen here on his 1973 Saracen Mickmar 250. – Photo: Trevor Kemp Archive.

Trevor Kemp:I own a Saracen fitted from new with a 250cc Mickmar engine and have done so for many years in fact. A very good and local trials rider friend of mine, Alan Garrett bought it from David Brand via an advert.

The press advert placed by David Brand when the Saracen Mickmar 250 was up for sale. (Photo: Trevor Kemp Collection)

He only rode it once in a trial in which it broke down. He then placed an advert and sold it to a gentleman called Mr. T Knight from Norwich. It was he who sent the engine to Michael Martin, who was by this time at Talon Engineering, to be re-built. This was back in 1976.

The bare bones of Trevor Kemp’s 1973 250cc Saracen Mickmar – Photo: Trevor Kemp Archive.

I bumped into Mr. Knight at a Honda dealer opening in Norfolk several years later where he told me he had this bike and was putting it together to ride. I did mention to him that if he ever wanted to sell it I would be interested. I saw him maybe a couple years later and he informed me that he had got no further with the Saracen and would be prepared to sell it to me. This was in early 1988.

Trevor Kemp on his 250cc Saracen Mickmar – Photo: Trevor Kemp Archive.

I did strip the engine more out of interest than anything else. Some of the Lucas ignition was missing, so I fitted a different ignition system. Despite a strong spark, I could not get it to start, although it did fire now and again. When checking the timing I noticed the engine looked to be running backwards. I thought this can’t be, so I rang Michael Martin with the information on who I had got the bike from. Michael came back to me later and that particular engine was actually designed to run backwards, with the idea it would give more traction to the back wheel. He did say that that engine was the first one produced and was sold to Saracen with a potential order for more.

Ignition side of Trevor Kemps 1973 250cc Saracen Mickmar – Photo: Trevor Kemp Archive.

I rode it several times with great success. I won a couple of Pre65 events until someone rightly pointed out that a machine built in 1973 wasn’t truly Pre65!

1992 report from TMX News mentions Trevor Kemp’s Pre70 machine, having won the two-stroke class – Cutting from TMX News/Morecambe Press 1992. [8]

When I moved across to the USA with my work, Pete Carson bought it off me. He never rode it in a trial but had the engine out and stripped the frame down. Pete never put it back together and I now have it back again to put it back together once more. There are a few bits missing frame wise that I am currently trying to source.” – Trevor Kemp

More on Mickmar:

The Mickmar engine, designed and manufactured by Michael Martin, formerly of BSA under the business name of Mickmar Engines Ltd, which he set up in 1972 with his redundancy severance payment from BSA, had the following specification:

Bore: 72mm x Stroke: 60mm, giving a capacity of 246cc, output of 18 BHP at 5,750 rpm, Torque of 20 ft/lb at 4,800 rpm. The engine in Trevor Kemp’s Saracen, being an early unit, was built at Selly Oak, Birmingham and supplied to Saracen at Watford in 1973.

Michael Martin then joined forces with George Sartin, trading as Talon Mickmar Engineering Ltd. from May 1975 to 31st December 1976.

Not a Saracen, the 1973 ‘Walwin Mickmar’, built by Ross Winwood showing the small REH front hub and dural plate subframe. Photo: Olivier Barjon.

There were other machines built with the 246cc Mickmar engine fitted which included a ‘Walwin’ version, registered GON6L, which was made by Ross Winwood using Reynolds ‘531’ tubing and the Walwin trademark Dural aluminum plate subframe. The machine is now located in France.

The ‘Talon Mickmar’ complete machine, made in Yeovil, Somerset, by Talon Mickmar Engineering Ltd, is now exhibited in Sammy Miller’s most excellent museum in New Milton, Hampshire in the trials section. The prototype chassis was made for Talon Mickmar by George Greenland when he worked with WASP Motorcycles in Wiltshire. After use, the machine was eventually restored by Jock Wilson of Comerfords and SWM fame, before being sent to Sammy Miller’s museum.

Not a Saracen, this is the ‘Talon Mickmar’ which is on permanent display at Sammy Miller’s Museum at New Milton. (Photo Sammy Miller Museum Trust)

Four-stroke Saracen:

Photo: David Pickering

We reported earlier in this article that there had been a Saracen frame kit that would accept a Triumph Tiger Cub T20 engine. So we researched this further and came into contact with trials enthusiast Dave Pickering from Nottingham who had such a machine, still in use.

David Pickering:The little I know is a friend of mine, Brian Dale bought the bike many years ago and Edwin Wooliscroft was with him. Edwin organised Greeves owners club trials around the late 1980s, early 1990s and a regular competitor was a George Bown from Oxford who trailered his Greeves behind a Wosleley 1500. But one day he turned up with the Saracen cub. Some time later he sold it to Brian. Brian changed the position of the oil tank to between the steering head plates and may have made several modifications over the years whilst campaigning the bike. He sold the bike to Paul Flint who left it in a friend’s shed in Derbyshire for many years where I’d seen it and subsequently acquired it. I love the bike but the only thing that I think that shows its age in today’s trials are the forks which are an inch and quarter.” – David Pickering

The 199cc Saracen Triumph of David Pickering – Photo: David Pickering.

We were able to check a few details, including the location of the engine oil reservoir and frame tubes under the engine, which indicated that this was perhaps one of a small number of Saracen frames built to take the Triumph engine or a converted frame which once held a Sachs engine.

Frames:

The Saracen frames were all fabricated in house, there are no factory records available to indicate the number of kits or complete machines manufactured by either Saracen Engineering or David Brand & Co. The production ran from 1968 until 1974. Frame numbers are usually stamped on the headstock. It is believed they were year dated. For example: 6960111 where the ’69’ refers to ‘1969’.

The Saracen Mickmar of Trevor Kemp is a short number and begins 73 and we have established that the machine was built in 1973.

Andrew Cooke, an owner from the 1970s to the present:

Andrew Cooke in action back in 1973 on his Stroud built Saracen 125 – Photo: Andrew Cooke Collection.

Andrew Cooke:I stuck with my 1971 125cc Saracen until 1978, strange how l didn’t win much. But then I bought a Yamaha TY175 and John Shirt bored it to 200cc and modified the suspension and suddenly I was in the awards! When l bought both my Saracens to restore in the past few years, both had cracked frames just above the front engine bracket, which I presume was the potential weak spot after years of use.

Andrew Cooke’s 125 Saracen from 1971 showing the airbox access panel just below the seat. This is a Stroud built machine. Photo: Andrew Cooke Collection.

The frames are incredibly light you can pick them up with one finger. My original Saracen in 1973 had a nickel-plated finish, but at £500 a time for replating l just had these two powder coated in a silver finish.”

Andrew Cooke’s 1973 Saracen ‘Invader’ is a 200cc Sachs powered machine, the cylinder finning reduced on this model built at Watford. Photo: Andrew Cooke Collection.

The odd engine spares I’ve needed so far came from Penton in America who still carry Sachs spares.” – Andrew Cooke

Across the pond, Saracens in the USA:

Photo: John Hart

Jeff Koskie in California:

Jeff Koskie:I started trials riding at age 13 in our California kid’s class. I rode a Yamaha 125 AT1 with modifications such as twenty-one inch front wheel and rearset foot pegs. Kids that were in this class and moved onto bigger things included Debbie Evans-Leavitt, US motocross champion and Indycar racer Jeff Ward, and of course, Bernie Schreiber, my neighbour.”

Jeff Koskie aboard the Jon Olsen supplied 125cc Saracen with the early iron barrel Sachs motor and frame tubes under the engine. Photo: Jeff Koskie, USA.

At age fifteen, I graduated from the kids class and my parents bought me a new Saracen 125 iron barrel from the US importer, John Olson, founder of Cycle Trends. I competed in amateur and expert class, ultimately promoted to master class, against all the west coast greats.”

The USA sales brochure for the Saracen range, issued by importers, Cycle – Trends now based at Burbank, California.

I moved to the master class about the same time as the alloy barrel Saracen became available. Both bikes were modified to displace 152cc.

Jeff Koskie surrounded by his winnings on the later model Stroud built Saracen, fitted with an alloy top end. Photo: Jeff Koskie, USA.

We arrived at 152cc by utilizing one piston of the Bridgestone 350 twin, and on the other bike using a piston from a Villiers 200. In addition, on one or both, the barrel to bottom end was modified to tame the port timing.

Jeff Koskie on the 152cc Saracen – Photo: Jeff Koskie, USA.

One of my memorable highlights was being briefly included in the movie, ‘On Any Sunday’, riding my iron barrel off a ledge.

Jeff Koskie on his Saracen, taken from a screenshot of the Bruce Brown movie, ‘On Any Sunday’, the definitive bikesport movie of all time. [4]

At age seventeen, I was offered an invitation to join the first US international trials team, being guest of Bultaco who provided a bike for the Spanish and French events we competed in.”

The later model Saracen with the all alloy Sachs engine – Photo: Jeff Koskie, USA.

“Three months before the events I purchased a 250 Sherpa to train for the events, and my Saracen days ended. Probably would have anyway, since I’d sprouted to 6’2” and 180 pounds, still growing.

Jeff Koskie on the M80 250cc Bultaco Sherpa in the French international trial – Photo: Jeff Koskie, USA.

In mid 1973 I was approached by Suzuki to test their pre-production RL 250 both here and Japan. I became a Team Suzuki rider with Gordon Farley, primarily competing in US base events.

Jeff Koskie on the Team USA Suzuki on the front cover of Cycle News in the USA. [3]

I rode through 1975 with Suzuki when their US team support waned. It would be forty-five years later before I got back onto a trials bike, competing on a 1976 250 Sherpa T.”

Jeff Koskie’s original RL250 Suzuki – Photo: Jeff Koskie

I still have by original pre-production RL250. I completely restore and placed in a private collection.” – Jeff Koskie

Saracen machines today – Worldwide:

Export Drive:

Saracen BSA Bantam which was built in 2016 by French enthusiast Olivier Barjon. The machine is now owned by a resident of Luxembourg. Photo: Olivier Barjon.

It was mentioned earlier that Saracens were exported to the USA, France and Sweden with some ending up in Germany. We have tracked a number of these machines down in the United States, the UK and a very special one in France. Many of these bikes have changed hands over the years, but continue to be ridden in trial events. Testament to the build quality of these little machines, fifty years after they rolled off the production line so to speak.

David McNeil from California, USA:

David McNeil:I bought the Saracen from a museum in the Midwest that was changing the bikes on display. I knew the man that had the bike before it went on display and had seen him ride it in trials events in California (John Hart). The bike was a good little trials bike for the Classic division as the motor had to be 175cc and under.

David McNeil’s early iron barrel model 125cc Saracen which had been built up from abare frame by Oregon enthusiast Jay Lael.

The bike rode well and it definitely got a lot of looks as the aluminum side panels were custom. I have only seen one other Saracen 125cc on the west coast.

David McNeil’s Saracen is the early iron barreled version, a smart machine. Photo: David McNeil, USA.

I rode this Saracen 125cc to the AHMRA classic expert National championship America in 2016. I sold the bike in 2019 as I had seven other Bultaco trials bikes and needed to reduce the collection. Looking back at it now I wish I still had the bike as it was very unique and rare.” – David McNeil

David McNeil at the AHRMA nationals in 2016 on the Saracen – Photo: David McNeil, USA.

John Hart in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA:

John Hart: I’ve owned two Saracens. My first one was purchased back in the early 2000s, it came from a gentleman out of Arizona (Jay Lael). He competed in AHRMA vintage trials with it. I orginally was going to buy his Triumph Cub but it was a bit expensive, so I purchased the Saracen instead. I won a couple AHRMA National Championships on it. I ended up selling it to a gentleman out of the mid-west (David McNeil).”

The early model Saracen with iron barrel rebuilt by Jay Lael, subsequently owned by John Hart and then David McNeil. – Photo: John Hart, USA.

I stopped doing trials for a few years, just concentrated on vintage motocross which is my first passion. I just happened to find another Saracen in Southern California back in 2016, go figure!

The second Saracen which was owned by John Hart. Photo: John Hart, USA.

In the movie ‘On Any Sunday’, at one hour and twelve minutes there is a brief shot of a rider on a Saracen. I was at an AHRMA event back in 2018, a gentleman came over to look at my bike. It turns out he was a factory rider for Saracen back in the day and he was the rider on the Saracen in the movie (Jeff Koskie). I’ve attached a picture of both Saracens plus a photo of the gentleman I met from On Any Sunday, he’s the one with the helmet on.” – John Hart

John Hart (left) with Jeff Koskie and the Saracen at an AHRMA vintage trials event. – Photo: John Hart, USA.

Erwan Spiral has a very different, special Saracen in France:

Christian Rayer (left) with ErwanSpiral and the Saracen/Montesa 247. Photo: Erwan Spiral.

Erwan Spiral:It was in 2019 that I met Jean Louis Leguérinel and his Saracen at one of the friendly trials I organised. I saw a motorbike leaning against a wooden post and immediately fell in love with it.”

Jean Louis Leguérinel on his creation, the Saracen/Montesa 247 – Photo: Erwan Spiral.

Jean Louis very kindly invited me to try it out, and the test ride was conclusive. He told me it was for sale. The deal was done immediately, without hesitation, I was now the owner of a 1969 Saracen.

It was afterwards that Jean Louis told me his story about being a mechanic for Christian Rayer and the creation of his ‘proto’, as he likes to call it (the Saracen). Christian had just imported this very manoeuvrable motorbike, but it had a small engine. Jean-Louis then had the idea of fitting a bigger engine and, as Christian was finishing his contract as a rider with Montesa, he had a spare Cota 247 engine on the shelf.”

Erwan Spiral’s Saracen/Montesa 247 when in green livery – Photo: Erwan Spiral.

Christian sold five Saracens in France, three of which were modified. Two Saracens had Montesa 247 engines; Jean Louis’s and Olivier Favereau’s. Bernard Joquel’s Saracen had a Bultaco 325 engine.

The Saracens and their riders can be found in old Moto Journal and Moto Revue magazines, along with the results of French competitions. It also took part in the 3 Days of Corsica organised by Christian Rayer.

Unfortunately, all of them have disappeared except for Jean Louis’s, now mine, I have restored it to bring it closer to its original orange livery with its original fuel tank.

Jean Louis had fitted an identical tank in green, and I kept this colour too, as I like it. I still ride in a few competitions in Brittany, which I really enjoy, and I have a lot of fun riding it; we even finished first ahead of modern 125 motorcycles.” – Erwan Spiral

Jay Lael in Canby, Oregon, USA created a 125cc Hodaka powered Saracen:

Jay Lael’s Hodaka engined Saracen. (Photo: Jay Lael, USA)

Jay Lael: My apologies to the original creators of the Saracen for this sacrelige, which I can’t help myself for doing. I put together this great bike some years ago.

I adjusted the steering head angle somewhat steeper from about 28 degrees, to exactly 24.5 degrees. I redesigned the lower frame cradle, to convert it to a flat bottom, so it will sit on a box without tipping over, and obviously got rid of the Sachs engine, so it required some changes to get the Hodaka engine to fit.

Jay Lael on the 125cc Hodaka powered Saracen shortly after it was completed – Photo: Jay Lael, USA.

The wheels are Rickman Hodaka. The micro Metisse had a smaller rear hub than the Saracen came with originally, so it required some custom spacers. Mounting the Penton forks to the Saracen frame also required some custom machine work to get things to fit together. It has loose balls and races lifted from the Penton, and machined adapters that permit the Penton races to press into the Saracen frame. The swingarm bushings had to be fabricated from bronze material. I was able to mostly evict the whitworth bolts from the machine, using metric fasteners almost everywhere. The exception is the swingarm bolt, which is an amazing piece of work. The chain adjustment on this bike is easier to do than any bike I’ve ever seen. Just takes a minute and there’s no messing around with alignment as it stays spot on.”

Opposite view of Jay Lael’s 125cc Hodaka engined Saracen after completion in 2013 – Photo: Jay Lael, USA.

This was a very special piston ported two-stroke American Hodaka trials engine, which began life as a 125 cc ‘Wombat’, but this one has a heavier flywheel, lower internal gearing via primary gear from an ‘Ace 90’. Porting was done by the porting guru, Rich Gagnon from Utah.

Porting of the 125cc Hodaka was entrusted to Rich Gagnon in Utah. Photo: Jay Lael, USA.

This engine required a hybrid crankshaft, comprised of 125 Wombat left hand crank half, and early ‘Ace 100’ type right hand crank half, which has been welded to prevent the crank from slipping out of alignment.

The Hodaka casings before the special crankshaft and gear set was installed. Photo: Jay Lael, USA.

The genuine ‘Sammy Miller’ muffler was a rare thing to find in the USA, and really sets the look of the machine. In the late sixties to early seventies. It has new old stock Girling dampers, Ceriani forks from a 1972 Penton motocross bike, which is fitted with only one spring, to make the front end soft enough for trials. I loved this bike. I eventually sold it to Vance Walker in 2023, a former SWM USA teenage champion who then sold it on to Tom Young, who sponsors a Canadian guy every year on it at Hodaka Days.” – Jay Lael

Vance Walker in 2023 with the 125 Hodaka Saracen, a fine looking creation by Jay Lael – Photo: Jay Lael, USA.

Jon Griffin from the UK:

Jon Griffin:Here are my two Saracens, the complete one is ex-Brian Hyatt, who sadly is no longer with us.”

Jon Griffin’s Saracen with BSA Bantam engine fitted and Ossa fuel tank. (Photo: Jon Griffin)

It has for years been used by Brian in the Cotswold trials and still is by myself, I use it regularly. The frame has been modified before my ownership with two tubes under the engine instead of one.

Jon Griffin’s Saracen, the frame has been modified under the engine. (Photo: Jon Griffin)

It has an Ossa fuel tank and lightened Triumph Cub wheels. Like many others, it has a BSA Bantam engine fitted.”

Leightened Triumph Cub hubs are used on Jon Griffin’s Saracen/BSA (Photo: Jon Griffin)

It’s a very nice bike to ride. The second frame is recently acquired from Marketplace and I am currently building it up.”

Becoming sought after are Saracen chassis, here is Jon Griffin’s early version awaiting restoration and a rebuild (Photo: Jon Griffin)

The frame looks more original but it has been powder coated, so it’s difficult to tell what has been done.” – Jon Griffin

Motocross Saracens:

Nigel D. Green from Gloucestershire:

Nigel Green:My personal affinity to the Saracen brand goes way back to my childhood. It was about 1968 when schoolboy scrambling was changing from homemade bikes being the BSA Bantams and so on to purpose built production bikes. My father was adamant I was to have a new British built bike, so he looked around and found a new local company, Saracen (Engineering) Ltd. He made contact and we were invited to Ron Goodfellow’s house in South Cerney near Cirencester, Gloucestershire,  this was to try the iron barrel 125cc Sachs engined Saracen, on a disused railway line. After which it was agreed they would build a new scrambles bike for me with the all new Sachs alloy barrel engine. Production was then moved from Ron’s house to a workshop above a tyre company in Cirencester and the bikes had to come down several flights of stairs to get to ground level, from where we collected my first brand new bike, a Saracen scrambles bike at that.”

Nigel Green aviates his specially built 125cc Saracen motocross machine in 1969 – Photo: Nigel D. Green.

Jack Galloway and John Bliss both worked there building the bikes and being factory riders at the same time. Both had a great input into the bike they built for me and helped me so much over the next few years. The company then expanded and moved to a much bigger factory in Stroud, Gloucestershire, from where they continued to improve and develop the bike with help from Sachs and Mr. George Todd who designed the exhaust and engine porting.

Nigel Green pressing on at a youth scramble on the special 125cc Saracen – Photo: Nigel D. Green.

They also built a small scrambles bike for a young Keith Ree which had a 100cc Hodaka engine fitted in it. As far I know, these were the only two scrambles bikes they produced before the unfortunate demise of the company, before Saracen was bought by David Brand and moved production to Watford.”

Probably the only photo of Keith Ree on the 100cc Hodaka engined Saracen motocross machine in 1971. Ree became a supported rider for the German Maico and then a factory ride with Kramer. – Photo: David Brand Collection

About twelve years ago I heard of a Saracen for sale, so I went to take a look at it and, hey ho, I duly bought it and put it in the corner of the shed and forgot about it until I moved house about two years ago when it came back to light. I thought that I must get to and restore that bike and whilst restoring it, I found a lot of unusual things with the engine, so I start to do some research on the bike, only to find it was a special bike with alloy barrel Sachs engine bored and stroked to 205cc and built for the 1973 SSDT.

The bored out 205cc Saracen – Photo: Nigel D. Green.

It was this Saracen that was ridden by David Brand I believe. Then I came across another 1973 Saracen 125cc Sachs alloy barrel at a local auction sale, needing a complete restoration. So I purchased it and restored it, so now I have two David Brand built Saracens. Then someone offered me an early Saracen in boxes of bits so I took a look and agreed to buy it, a 125 cc iron barrel 1969 Stroud built Ron Goodfellow’s bike. This is now under restoration to be completed real soon, I hope. So I now have three Saracen Trials machines. So I guess the search goes on for the elusive scrambles bike that I once had, you never know?” – Nigel Green

Saracen:

Photo: Andrew Cooke.

So, there we have it, probably the most in-depth article on Saracen motorcycles ever written, with first hand accounts from people who were involved with the marque.

A machine that was developed by trials enthusiasts to create their own trials bike from scratch, fraught with difficulties that were out with their control. Reborn and again thwarted with a different set of issues.

There were successful downhill mountain cycles named ‘Saracen Bikes’ thereafter, but there was no connection with Saracen motorcycles.

Bibliography, Source, Copyrights and Credits:

Parts of this article were researched and written by the late Deryk Wylde and published by his company Ariel Publishing. The Swan, St. Harmon, Powys in 2001.

Original text from Motorcycle Competition – Reference Library Volume 2 (Published 2001) – Deryk Wylde/Ariel Publishing – ISSN: 1368-5155 [1]

Cycle World (USA) – March 1970 – ‘Guest Test, Saracen Trials’ by Max King [5]

The Motor Cycle, 7th April 1971 – Article: ‘Saracen’s Highlander’ by Peter Fraser (1971) [2]

Cycle News, USA – January 15, 1974 (Front Cover) [3]

Bruce Brown Films & Solar Productions, USA – Screenshot from ‘On Any Sunday’ (1971) [4]

Article: ‘Harassing Saracens’ – by Sammy Miller MBE (1972) [6]

Saracen (Engineering) Ltd – 1968 Price List – Supplied by Olivier Barjon [7]

Trials and Motocross News – 10 January 1992 – Morecambe Press [8]

Trials Guru is indebted to Mr. David Brand, former owner of Saracen Competition and to Jon Bliss, former employee and works rider of Saracen Engineering Ltd for their assistance in the production of this article.

‘Saracen Motorcycles Story’ is the copyright of Trials Guru (2026) and the late Deryk Wylde (2001)

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Seeley Honda TL200E – The Story

Billy McMaster Junior (Honda TL200E) – Photo: Jimmy Young.

The Seeley Honda TL200E was a trials machine brought to the trials buying public at a time when Racing Service Center (RSC) was developing factory machines for the world’s best riders contracted to ride for Honda Motor Company. In 1973, the RSC was created as a separate company involved directly in motorcycle racing.

RSC was involved in the development and supply of racing motorcycles for the Japanese domestic competitions. In 1976 RSC began participating in the European endurance championship.

RSC built Honda ridden by Hiroshi Kondo at the 1976 Scottish Six Days Trial.

Later it would evolve into Honda Racing Corporation (HRC). We spoke with Trevor Kemp who was at the sharp end of trials in the late 1970s, he was employed by Honda UK. We bring you his story and his involvement in convincing Honda to produce a trials model in the United Kingdom – and what transpired after that.

Honda Seeley 250 (RTL240) – Photo: Jean Caillou Collection.

Words: Trials Guru; Trevor Kemp

Read Time: 39 minutes

Photos: Colin Seeley; Olivier Barjon; Jean Caillou Collection; Gabriele Milan; Steven Jamieson; Don Morley/Hitchcock Motorcycles; Barry Robinson; Archie Love; Iain Lawrie; David Butler; Grant Taylor; Glenn Carney; Jimmy Young; Colin Bullock/CJB Photographic; Joan Forellad/The Honda Trials Story; HRC/Honda Motor Company; Montesa/Honda; Trials Guru Archive. (Main Photo: Glenn Carney).

Photo: David Butler

Trevor Kemp: “My involvement began a few months after I joined Honda UK as an area field manager. Later on as well I was also involved in the off-road planning committee as a representative for Honda UK with Japan. After I left the John Banks Honda Centre to start work at Honda, I lost my sponsored Bultaco ride that went through the dealership. Jim Sandiford, the Montesa importer had wanted me to ride a Montesa through the shop, but due to the dealership’s commitment to Comerfords, it never worked out, so he kindly lent me a new 348 Montesa Cota that had just been launched. Jim at that time was also a Honda dealer. After winning several Open To Centre trials in the Eastern and South Midland Centres, Sandifords placed a Montesa success advert in the motorcycle press in which I was featured. This came across our Sales and Marketing Director’s desk and he wanted to know why I was not riding a Honda? When I explained that Honda did not manufacture a competitive trials motorcycle, he suggested I spoke with the Racing Department to see if they could sort out a bike for me. With Rob Shepherd having the only Trials support on a factory bike, this was never going to happen. I continued to ride the Montesa trying to keep under the boss’s radar.”

The late Jim Sandiford (349 Montesa) – Photo: Glenn Carney

It began to happen:

Then Ryuichiro Yoshimi or ‘Yoshi’ as he was known, our Technical Co-ordinator between Honda UK and Japan, approached me that he wanted to start a project to build a production Honda Trials motorcycle and wanted me to be involved. His idea was to build the motorcycle here in the UK, with engines supplied from Japan that would be built and modified by Honda’s Racing Service Centre.”

RSC Honda RTL360 of Rob Shepherd at the 1978 Scottish Six Days Trial, the Seeley Honda TL200E was inspired in part from this machine – Photo: Jimmy Young, Armadale

The frames would be manufactured here, as chassis technology and cost, particularly for Trials would be the better route. Coupled to that, development and unforeseen problems could be dealt with quicker than relying totally on Japan. The design concept for the motorcycle was to look in essence like the factory RTL 360. Although the engine would look different, the fuel tank, seat unit and frame could be manufactured to mirror the bigger RTL, almost like it’s smaller sibling.”

Rob Shepherd with his factory Honda RTL360 at the 1978 SSDT, the machine that inspired the creation of the Seeley Honda TL200E – Photo: Glenn Carney

The engine was based on the well proven unit that was fitted to the Honda XL185 trail motorcycle. The capacity was increased to 200cc by a larger bore size and slightly different camshaft. The transmission and gear ratios were also changed from the original XL185 trail ratios and profiles. A heavier flywheel and ignition was also fitted. Honda RSC had some previous experience with modifying single cylinder engines for trials back in the early to mid 1970s when they produced a heavily modified 200cc version of the TL125 engine. When I worked at John Banks Honda Centre, Honda gave us one of these which I rode in a few events. When Eastern Centre Champion, Allen Collier lost his Jack Hubbard sponsored Bultaco ride, we let Allen ride the motorcycle. He had some success on the bike, but the lack of power and the fragile bottom end of the TL125 particularly in the bigger trials events, caused reliability problems. With RSC using the bigger 185cc engine, this gave us more confidence with reliability.”

All systems go:

With the project getting the go ahead, we then had to decide who would manufacture the chassis. We seriously looked at using some of the established trials chassis manufacturers in the UK, as they had the experience on incorporating design married to trials chassis dimensions such as steering head angles, wheel base, seat height and so on. However, the powers that be at Honda UK wanted us to talk to Colin Seeley who had at that time a relationship with Honda producing racing replicas out of production Honda sports bikes. Also Colin had excellent experience at chassis manufacturing albeit in road racing.”

Framebuilder! The late Colin J. Seeley had an excellent reputation in the world of racing. British Sidecar Racing Champion 1962 1963; I.O.M. T.T. Silver Replica Winner 1961,2,3,4,6,7; Bronze Medal Winner 1964, 1966 World Championships.

After several meetings with Colin, it was decided that this for us was the way to go. Using square down and top tubing which gave the look of the RTL360, the engine was used as a stress member along with an alloy sump shield.”

Square section downtube and engine as a stressed member with an alloy sump plate allowed for small diameter tubing for the rear subframe. Girling Gas Shocks were employed with multi-rate springing. Photo: Colin Seeley

This allowed the use of small diameter tube for the rear sub frame to keep the weight down and also manufactured box section for the footrest hangers instead of thick, heavy plate. With a beautiful looking tank/seat cover that covered an aluminium fuel tank, the chassis not only looked the business but looked right. As there were no production competitive front forks available from Honda, we decided to use the Marzzochi front fork and yokes which were freely available, a good quality unit that worked well. We also looked at several Italian hubs including Grimeca, but decided to use Honda hubs and wheels. This came about when Honda UK decided to break up a number of CR125/Elsinore motocross machines that they had over ordered and were out of date with new models on the way. Also used were the footrests of these machines. Several other components were used from Honda, such as air filter boots and control levers. The chain running block on the top of the swing arm was a modified Honda cam chain tensioner.

Pre production Seeley Honda TL200E (SHT 001) showing the differences to the standard production machine, the full loop rear mudguard loop; airbox, modified swinging arm and Yamaha type front mudguard without stays. Photo: Colin Seeley.

We also used the Girling Gas shocks for the rear, and Norman Blackmore who I knew well, got to work on developing a new unit. These shocks were now being used on the RTL 360 so it made sense to go down that route. Along with engine, we also received an RSC exhaust system. When the bike went into production, due to cost and ease of shipping, we just brought in from RSC the outer stamping and Seeley manufactured the centre box and welded on the backing plate to the RSC outer stamping.”

An early prototype TL200E Seeley Honda (SHT 001) at Colin Seeley’s works at Erith in Kent – Photo: Colin Seeley

I had made several trips down to Colin’s factory in Kent whilst the prototype was being made and had to kerb my excitement as I could not wait to try the motorcycle. At the back of Colin’s factory there was a piece of waste land with a few banks to try the bike on. Straight away the balance felt right and with slight adjustments to the forks and rear shocks I was impressed with how it steered and handled. We had to do some work on carburation and gearing to get that side right or somewhere close. Although it did take me a bit of time to get used to a four-stroke one problem we did have was that the motor would not rev out. We then found out that the seat and tank unit was pushing the air intake rubber flange inwards, thus restricting the air flow to the carburettor. Back to the workshop and a modification on the airbox cured the problem. I have to say it did look pretty, just like the vision we had of the bike. I loaded the bike up and went home to more practise and to ride it in a few trials to make sure everything was OK. The first few trials I rode, the Seeley caused a lot of interest with spectators following from section to section all looking to see how it performed and to hear the sound of the four-stroke which, at that time, was non exsistant in trials as all the other bikes were two-strokes.  We also did a test up at Rob Shepherd’s and a young Eddy Lejeune made the trip from Belgium to try the bike. He was impressive on the little 200 and even more so when he tried Rob’s 360. I even got to ride the 360 and could not believe how good it was. I thought it’s sad that Honda could not make this into a production trials bike, but it was not to be.”

1979 – Trevor Kemp at Towerlands arena event on Chassis number ‘002’. pre-production development TL200E – Photo: Trevor Kemp Collection

I had some good results on the little 200 and won a few Eastern and South Midland Open To Centre trials. I also did a fair number of National Trials including the West of England and the John Douglas.”

Trevor Kemp astride the production TL200E when he worked for Honda UK – Photo: Trevor Kemp Collection

It was a very good bike for the centre and clubman rider, being a four-stroke it gripped well in the mud and on slippery sections. However being only 200cc the bike struggled on some sections where you needed power and more cubes.”

Eddy Lejeune (250 Honda) in the 1980 Scottish Six Days on Ben Nevis – Photo: Steven Jamieson, Inverness.

I was then told that one of the young Honda Japanese riders was coming over to the UK to ride and test the Seeley Honda. His name was Kiyoteru ‘Kiyo’ Hattori. I arranged to get him a bike and he came and stayed at my house. We went out testing a lot, locally to me, and he was impressed with the bike. We arranged for us to ride in a South Midland centre trial, I think at Market Harbough, to see how the bike compared to the other manufacturers bikes, which would be a good bench mark. Also one of the RSC Japanese staff came to watch the trial. I think he was on a visit to Honda UK for meetings with the various race departments. All I remember was that he spoke no English, so communication was difficult. Kiyo won the trial and I was second, so they were very happy. We both did another local trial but I can’t remember where being over forty years ago.”

Kiyoteru Hattori on his 250cc RSC Honda prototype in 1980 Scottish Six Days on ‘Cailleach’, the chassis was the British-made Seeley component – Photo copyright: Iain Lawrie, Kinlochleven

Kiyo then came over and rode in the Scottish Six Days on the Seeley 200. We then had two RSC 250 engines sent to Honda UK. These went down to Colin Seeley’s to be installed into the frames. These fitted without much alteration.”

Kiyoteru Hattori (250 Honda) at the Parc Ferme of the 1980 SSDT was 16th on 170 marks – Photo: Glenn Carney

They were for Kiyo Hattori and Eddy Lejeune to ride in the Scottish. I had a brief ride on one and the engine was very good. Eddy also rode a Seeley 200 in the Scottish the year before, 1980 his first Scottish, where he finished twelfth and was best newcomer.

250cc Honda – Close up of the engine area of Eddy Lejeune’s 1980 Scottish Six Days machine – Photo: Gabriele Milan Archive.

Eddy and Kiyo then went on to ride the mighty Honda 360 to great success.”

Eddy Lejeune rode this 250cc Seeley Honda in the 1980 Scottish Six Days to 12th place – Photo copyright: Jimmy Young, Armadale

The production of the Seeley Honda began on the initial order of one-hundred machines and to start with, the sales were healthy. The projection of around three-hundred orders from Honda was never met and increased retail pricing slowed sales and stocks of the bikes built up at the Seeley factory. Colin took over distribution from Honda UK but sadly sales failed to pick up.”

Colin Seeley took over the distribution of the Honda TL200E and re-liveried the machines as ‘Seeley’ – Photo: Olivier Barjon

About six years ago I saw Colin at a Honda 750 anniversary event held at the David Silver’s Honda Museum where he was a judge. We had a coffee and a chat regarding the times we had together developing the Seeley Honda trials bike. Although sad at how it ended, but at the same time proud of that project. He did say that he sustained a big financial loss.”

Kiyoteru Hattori (250cc Honda/RTL240) riding the 1980 Scott Trial at ‘Blackhills’ – Photo: Barry Robinson.

Where is number 1?

Interestingly, Trevor Kemp told Trials Guru that he still has one of the first Seeley Honda chassis, which was numbered ‘SHT 002’ and was one of two pre-production machines which Colin Seeley had built in his workshops. Chassis number ‘SHT 001’ was used for photographs, testing and for later display at shows and events.

By way of an upgrade, Trevor Kemp was issued with a fresh chassis just as the first batch of Seeley Honda TL200Es were being built, to replace chassis number ‘002’. Trevor swapped the engine, wheels, forks and other parts to the new frame and swinging arm and realised that some elements had changed and not necessarily for the better, as the rear tyre contacted with the inside edge of the rear mudguard. Trevor took some measurements and compared these with the dimensions of frame ‘002’ and discovered that the swinging arm had been lengthened, but the rear subframe remained the same dimensions as ‘002’. This resulted in a change to the specification of the Girling Gas Shocks with a longer bumper stop being fitted.

Trevor Kemp wasn’t asked to return the prototype chassis ‘002’ to Seeley’s and it lay unused for many years at a shed on a relative’s farm. It was unearthed when the family were moving home and came back into Trevor’s possession. He then came across an unfinished Honda RTL250S project that was being sold off at a reasonable cost and that produced a useable engine, plus other components, which slipped straight into the Seeley chassis. ‘002’ was reborn and happily Trevor still owns the complete machine to this day.

Seeley Honda chassis number ‘SHT 002’ still exits, now fitted with a Honda RTL engine and front end. Note the rear mudguard loop is not the same as the production frame – Photo: Trevor Kemp.

Seeley Honda Trials – Colin Seeley:

In 2008, Colin Seeley wrote a comprehensive and well illustrated book on his life entitled ‘Colin Seeley …and the rest‘ in which he talked about the Seeley Honda for trials that was entrusted with his company by Honda UK. It was all going on at a time when his wife, Joan was seriously ill and also his mother was at her end of life. This must have presented an incredibly challenging set of circumstances for Colin and his family. Seeley had been in a business partnership with Bernie Ecclestone who would go on to own the rights to Formula 1 car racing, so Colin, coupled with his engineering knowledge, had learned much about business, managing people and race teams in a long and distinguised career. As described by Trevor Kemp, Honda had a very valid reason for placing the development of the Honda TL200E trials machine with Colin Seeley’s business, as he was already contracted to build sports road bikes, such as the Phil Read Replica for Honda in the UK. These and the trials machines would both be official Honda models, all assembled with many components made in the UK, they were effectively ‘adopted’ by Honda.

An early prototype Seeley Honda TL200E pictured at Colin Seeley’s premises at Erith in Kent, we believe that this is SHT-001 – Photo: Colin Seeley

In his book, Colin Seeley wrote in Chapter 5 entitled ‘1974-91 Just like old times’: “As 1978 proceeded, Joan’s health was not so good… In September we saw the surgeon Ellis Field at the Woolwich Memorial Hospital, I was told confidentially by him after an examination of her condition. that the cancer had returned and she had only six months to live… Then something completely different came up, a trials bike. The idea was brought to me by the Honda UK Japanese technical co-ordinator Ryuichiro Yoshimi. In conjunction with trials rider Trevor Kemp the initial testing and evaluation was carried out.” [1]

Seeley then alluded to the politics that was part and parcel of dealing with a large manufacturer which worked to policy and decisions made by committees, in the case of Honda, across in Japan. The main reason that the Honda TL200E had its chassis made in the UK by Colin Seeley Developments, was primarily that it could be done without waiting on lengthy committee discussions and decisions. Colin Seeley confirmed that the ‘E’ in the model number stood for England.

David ‘Rick’ Richardson on his Seeley Honda TL200E at a Forfar trial in Scotland. Photo: Jimmy Young

Sales initially were encouraging as mentioned by Trevor Kemp and this was mirrored in Colin Seeley’s book. He wrote: “Production of the TL200E was underway, then first batch of forty bikes was ready for collection early in December 1979. All orders were processed through Honda UK and collected by J. Spurling Ltd, Honda’s carriers, who then delivered direct to the Honda dealers. In mid-January 1980 a second batch of forty bikes were ready, so at that point we were doing well. We were unaware for some time that the Honda sales department put all of the orders into an alphabetical order for delivery, which upset many of the dealers. For example Arthur Wheeler of Wheelers of Epsom had ordered six bikes at the show and was still waiting delivery six weeks later.” [1]

Period advert from the motorcycle press of the Seeley Honda TL200E when Colin Seeley eventually took over the sale of the machines directly in late 1980. – Colin Seeley International.

Colin Seeley: “As 1980 continued, in September we finished the production of 300 TL200E trials bikes, and the project hit the barriers. UK sales had almost come to a halt, thanks to a lack of interest, or committment, by some at Honda UK who did not consider my case serious. By then I had negotiated with Mr. Amemiya, Honda UK’s MD, to work independently and sell the 117 unsold TL200E bikes which were taking up valuable space in our factory unit.” [1]

Born on 2nd January 1936, Colin Jordan Seeley passed away on 7th January 2020 aged 84 years.

Andy Alexander (200 Seeley Honda) – Photo: Jimmy Young, Armadale

Racing Service Center and the TL200E:

As mentioned, Racing Service Center based in Belgium had a direct involvement with the Seeley Honda TL200E project. The engines were custom built, derivatives of the Honda XL185. Apart from boring the cylinders to achieve 199cc displacement, they fitted a bespoke camshaft which was designed to eliminate the known ‘splutter’ that small capacity Honda engines suffered when the throttle was snapped open or at times when the engine was just above tick-over. Some called this the ‘Honda Cough’. This was an annoyance to owners who rode in trials at the time. The gearbox was treated to the RSC attention, replacing standard gears with bespoke items. The Keihin PC20 carburettor had different jets deployed, again specifically for the RSC engines of which the drive-side crankcases were all stamped with engine identification numbers: ‘RS200T-0000 E’. This Honda numbering convention was uniform, but identified these engines as RSC built for the TL200E only.

The engine of an RS200T, almost identical outwardly to the RSC engine used in the TL200E Seeley Honda, but there are differences internally and the rockerbox and cylinder head are different – Photo: Trials Guru Archive.

The RS200T model engines are similar but not exactly the same as the RSC built for the Seeley. The RS200T units are numbered this way: ‘RS200T-0000000’. Outwardly, the rocker box is totally different with the head steady boss at the rear of the component for the RSC engine and the top of the rocker box on the RS200T engines. Gear ratios and camshaft are also different on the bespoke Seeley RSC prepared engines.

Joan Forrellad on a 1980 Honda RS200T – Photo courtesy – Honda Trials Story

RSC had no direct input to the chassis, but did supply other components, being both wheel hubs, control levers and carburettors. The frames were numbered by Colin Seeley International as ‘SHT-0000’ which stood for Seeley Honda Trials and a four digit numbering protocol. Chassis and engines were not number matched in any way. Seeley used Reynolds ‘531’ tubing for the swinging arms.

From Northern Ireland, Billy McMaster Junior on his Lloyd Brothers supplied Seeley Honda TL200E at a wet Forfar trial. Billy’s father also Billy McMaster was a member of the FIM for many years. Billy Jnr worked for Fiat cars at one time as their Scotland & NI sales manager and was based in Scotland for about 4 years. Photo: Jimmy Young

The early Seeley frames had a tendency to crack at the steering head, this was picked up and was resolved in later batches by adding strengthening plates on the lower portion of the steering head. Many early frames were repaired in the same manner.

Seeley Honda TL200E – Today:

Still being used in competition more than 45 years since it was built. Steven Moffat’s 1980 Seeley Honda TL200E with custom paint in the style of Steve Hislop’s Castrol Honda RC45 – Photo: Trials Guru Archive

There is a strong following for the little 200cc Honda built by Seeley in twinshock and classic trials. Prices have remained firm, due in part to the relatively small number of machines produced by Colin Seeley International. Parts are a problem, such as pistons with owners sourcing other brands components to keep these machines going. There is even a facebook social media group dedicated to the machines where owners trade information on a regular basis.

David Butler’s recently restored TL200E with the correct sump protection shield in place – Photo: David Butler

As far as we know, Colin Seeley International did not preserve archive details of machines built, there is no known register of frame and engine numbers available. Current owners wishing to register a Seeley Honda TL200E with the DVLA, have to contact the Honda Owners Club UK for assistance.

Photo: David Butler

The Eddy Lejeune Seeley Honda 250 from 1980:

Reports indicate that the Seeley Honda 250 that Eddy Lejeune rode in the 1980 Scottish Six Days Trial is still in existence. It is currently housed in a private collection in Italey, having been owned by Carlo Ramella and Gabriele Milan in the past years.

The Seeley Honda 250 that Eddy Lejeune rode in the 1980 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: Gabriele Milan Archive.

One interesting machine in private hands was that of the late John Davies, a former Scottish Scrambles champion who built himself many special bikes over the years. Around 1987, John modified a TL200E which had been ridden in trials by Robbie Paterson, the son of Honda UK’s Scotland and Northern Ireland representative, Bob Paterson. Davies decided to modify the Seeley to monoshock rear suspension. To our knowledge, only one photo exists and the machine was eventually restored back to original specification by a subsequent owner.

John Davies on his Honda Seeley TL200E at Callendar around 1988, a bike which he converted to Mono-shock rear suspension. The bike was previously owned by Robbie Paterson of Cumbernauld. Photo: Grant Taylor, Falkirk.

Blackie Holden on the TL200E:

Blackie Holden riding the Seeley Honda TL200E at a Bradford Trial around 1985 – Photo: Balckie Holden Collection.

My Dad, also Blackie Holden, bought a Seeley Honda, brand new from Len Vale-Onslow Motorcycles in Birmingham. It had been for sale for a couple of years, but sadly there were no takers. The price of these bikes was high in relation to the competition at the time. Anyway, it came to us via Stuart Feeney of Colin Appleyard’s Motorcycles, as he had put the feelers out for my Dad. I rode my first trial on it aged seventeen and was up against lads on Fantic monoshock and Yamaha TY monoshocks, so I was a bit of a laughingstock turning up on the Seeley! Frames were in a word quite ‘poor’ they had been marketed as being made of Reynolds ‘531’ but that referred to only the three pieces of swinging arm tubing. Dad felt the frame stretch the very first time he rode it, it was going at the steering head, annoyingly. He did do a good job of gusseting and plating it up though he did this sometime later.

Blackie Holden Snr with ‘Jilly’ the Jack Russell terrier on an outing on the TL200E Seeley. – Photo: Blackie Holden Collection.

I still have the bike. I think it would have been 1982 or 1983 when Dad got it. It turned out the car tax had already been paid on it, so that saved the dreaded surcharge. I have to say, it’s a lovely little bike, God bless Colin Seeley, but the frame was not the best.

Few realised, then and now, that the Seeley Honda project would actually encourage Honda to mass-produce trials motorcycles beyond the TL200E, but it did!

Beyond the Seeley Honda – Production Trials Machines:

Trevor Kemp: “There was some big senior management changes at Honda UK with the retirement of the long time Sales and Marketing Director, Eric Sulley. Gerald Davidson took over the helm and my job changed from being a Field Manager to Off-Road Co-ordinator. With new motocross, trials and enduro production motorcycle coming, I was tasked to set up an off-road dealer network, using some of our exsisting dealers and appointing new specialist off-road dealers. I also retained my position on the off-road committee, helping decide what specification off-road machines we would have in our off-road line up.”

Trevor Kemp on the Honda TLR200 in Kent – Photo: Trevor Kemp Collection.

Honda UK received a pre-production TLR 200, which I tested and rode in a few local trials. The bike caused a lot of interest with the dealers and when launched quickly sold out. There was some aspects of the bike that were better than the Seeley Honda and some that were not. Overall it was the same problem with not enough power for the serious rider, but it was still a good trials motorcycle for the clubman rider and it was a Honda. Later I received a big bore kit consisting of cylinder, piston, crankshaft and revised gear cluster. Also in the kit was an alloy swing arm. Japan must have listened to my comments. This kit improved the engine no end and with more capacity and a longer stroke made it a better bike to ride in the harder sections. We looked at bringing a number of these kits in, but it was expensive and when added to the cost of the TLR 200, around £1,200, at the time it was not feasible.”

Honda Motor Company.

“We later learned that a production TLR 250 was in the pipeline. My riding came to a sudden stop when I tore the ligaments in my knee, I had to have major surgery, so riding was out of the question for twelve months.

Derrick Edmondson (Honda) in the 1984 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: Iain Lawrie

Derrick Edmondson asked me if he could ride the bike in the SSDT which I agreed. Despite competing in enduros, Derrick was a very good trials rider and at the time was riding for us on a modified Honda CR250 motocross bike competing in the British Enduro Championship. It made sense for the Honda Trials program, as it would give us hopefully some good publicity. Honda then had a financial investment in Montesa. This was mainly to have smaller road motorcycles manufactured in Spain. The next Trials bike to arrive were the Montesa Hondas. Two models, the MH 200 and the MH 349.”

Montesa Honda (MH) 349 and 200 models, the result of collaboration with Honda and the Spanish Montesa factories. Montesa/Honda sales publication. [3]

“These were Montesa models with a badge and graphic change. The same motorcycle you could buy at a Montesa dealer. However it did the Honda off-road dealer network more of a range of trials models to sell.

After a few months of setting up the Off-Road Dealer network, there was another management change at Honda UK. I was then made Off-Road Team Manager, taking charge off all off-road racing activities for Honda Britain which included Motocross, Enduros and Trials. Motocross was the priority, so with most weekends taken up at race meetings, my trials riding took a bit of a back seat. As mentioned earlier that a TLR 250 was in the pipeline, a pre production bike arrived at Honda UK. I managed to find some time and rode the bike in a few trials. The bike was pretty good and most noticeable was the increased power the new 250cc motor gave. The power delivery was also nice and smooth. At the events I rode in, it created a lot of interest and had several riders wanting to try it. However by the time the production bikes arrived in the UK the competition had moved to single shock or monoshock rear suspension whereas the TLR 250 was a twin-shock. Despite this, sales were steady as there were trials competitors out there who wanted a four-stroke trials bike to ride and those who had a TLR200 wanted to upgrade to a 250cc.”

Watched closely by Bob Paterson of Honda UK, Mick Andrews rode a TLR250 in the Scottish Six Days in 1985 – Photo: Colin Bullock/CJB Photographic

I had a meeting with my Japanese bosses who informed me that a four-stroke trials works prototype was being developed at HRC. They showed me some pictures and WOW! This bike was radical with a single horizontal shock Pro Link rear suspension system. They said there would not be a production version of this machine, however HRC plan to produce several units for sale and would Honda UK be interested. Of course we said YES! Honda were then embarrassed when a bike was sent to Europe for appraisal and the press got hold of the wrong end of the stick and thought it was a production prototype. I remember fending off calls from the UK motorcycle press and in the end Honda UK had to release a press statement to confirming that it was a works prototype. Then in October 1984, we flew the bike in and unveiled it at the Dirt Bike Show at Olympia. It was only there for the first weekend and was then flown back. That exercise cost Honda around £5,000, but it was worth every penny as certainly grabbed the headlines.

HRC/Honda Motor Company. [4]

Honda UK then had to place an order, which If I remember was around the fifty unit mark but we were only allocated ten. The price tag was £3,500 but they sold straight away. At that time the most expensive Trials bike was around the £1,700 mark. I then got called into a meeting where I was informed that HRC wanted Honda Britain to run a top British trials rider on the new RTL. They would help with bikes, parts but we would fund the rest. The goal was to win the up coming British Trials Championship and to compete in the World Trials Championship with hopefully ending up with a top five finish. I was then tasked with finding that rider and a budget to run it. The rider I wanted was Steve Saunders. At that time I did not know Steve very well and what his situation was with Armstrong. I knew Alan Clews very well from my days working at John Banks. I called Mark Kemp at BVM, who I knew well from riding and sounded him out regarding Steve and his Armstrong situation. I couldn’t tell him everything but asked if he could get Steve to give me a call and keep it very confidential.

It was not long before Steve Saunders called and we discussed at length the possibilities of him joining Honda Britain riding the RTL. Budget was a problem which got resolved as Silkolene Lubricants who were our Honda Britain off-road team lubricant sponsor stepped up and increased their budget to us and some more help fom HRC. Then finally Steve agreed to ride for us. How we did it I don’t know but we managed to keep it under wraps until the Bristol Dirt Bike Show where it was announced. It made the headlines in the British motorcycle press. I let Steve have my TLR 250 to get used to riding a four-stroke until his RTL arrived which was in time for the first British round, the Colmore. Steve rode the TLR 250 and won first time out I think in the Vic Brittain. The RTL duly arrived, I took down the RTL the Thursday before the Colmore and Steve rode the bike to its first win in front of a huge crowd. From then on Steve and the RTL became a formidable force. Not long after, both Steve and I went to Belgium for a Honda Trials test along with Eddy Lejeune who was testing his new 360 Pro Link. Steve was impressive at the test and I could see the Japanese staff taking interest, whereas the 360 looked big and a handful to ride. Steve was having a great start to the year finishing second in the opening round in Spain, whilst Eddy was struggling to get to grips with the 360. Then mid-year a new bike arrived for Steve with numerous upgrades to the engine and suspension. The engine had new outer cases, the crankcases had been modified to give around 30mm more ground clearance. Trouble was with the smaller crankcases, the oil capacity was down to only 600ml which caused the engine to slightly over heat especially in hot conditions. A new improved rear shock, with revised linkage, but the front forks were the icing on the cake. Machined sliders, light weight stauntions and revised damping these Showa forks were brilliant. The engine over heating was rectified by fitting an oil cooler when needed. Steve continued his good season with a win in Germany, finishing third in the world, second in the SSDT and taking the British Championship, a first Honda win since Rob Shepherd. Honda UK were over the moon, and for me I was well pleased as it had justified me doing everything in my power to get Steve signed.

Steve Saunders on the Pro Link HRC RTL250 Honda in 1985 – Photo: Don Morley/Hitchcock Motorcycles.

After several communications with HRC, Steve and myself were invited to Japan along with Eddy. Steve and Eddy were to ride in an arena trial along with other top manufacture riders. We also had to attend the opening of the new Honda head office, and visit HRC where Steve was to sign his new HRC contract.”

Steve Saunders at the 1985 Colmore Cup Trial on his new RTL250S Honda when signed for Honda Britain – Photo: Don Morley/Hitchcocks Motorcycles.

The visit to HRC was an eye opener. Seeing all the road racing motorcycles being built along with motorcycles for Steve and Eddy (who had given up on the 360) was an experience you don’t forget and also how clean it was. You could eat your dinner off the floor. At the indoor trial Steve and Eddy riding RTL 250s got through to the final, beating Burgat and Michaud making it an all Honda final. Despite an upset stomach and a painful ankle sustained in his semi Steve and Eddy were level pegging right up to the last section where Steve had to admit defeat to the three times world champion.”

Steve Saunders on the Honda Britain RTL250S at the 1985 Scottish Six Days on ‘Achlain’ section, watched by Honda UK representative Scotland & Northern Ireland, Bob Paterson – Photo copyright: Colin Bullock/CJB Photographic

Part of my discussion with HRC was that a minder mechanic was needed for Steve. I was doing a lot of work on Steve’s bikes and although I enjoyed doing it, however with my other racing commitments I was struggling to give it the time it deserved. HRC agreed and I then had to find someone to do the job. An opportunity came my way in the form of Derrick Edmondson. Derrick had been riding Honda Britain for three very successful years on modified CR 250 motocross bikes, and his contract was up for renewal. I was under pressure from sales and marketing for him to ride one of the Honda four stroke enduro bikes which I knew he would struggle to carry on winning. I had a meeting Derrick and told him the situation. I knew he would not compete on one, so I said to him however I have an opportunity that has come about where I need a mechanic/minder for Steve Saunders working in conjunction with HRC. I told him he would be the perfect person for the job as he was a very good mechanic, working on his own bikes, a good trials rider and of course a very quick off road rider. Derrick saw the bigger picture of this offer and excepted the position. Derrick worked out of the Honda Britain workshops and the relationship between him and Steve working well. 1986 was another good year for Steve on the Honda winning four world rounds another British Championship and again second place in the SSDT. He was getting more up dated factory parts with the engine increased to 270cc.

Steve Saunders (RTL270 Rothmans Honda HRC) on ‘Lagnaha’ in the 1986 Scottish Six Days. Photo: Iain Lawrie.

At the end of 1986 Steve left Honda and joined Fantic. With Rothmans pulling out as the team sponsor, budgets were tight and HRC only wanted one rider. Eddy had another year on his contact, so he got the ride. It was indicative of the times as Honda world wide were cutting back on their racing activities along with Honda Britain racing teams. There is no doubt in my mind that Steve would have won a world title if he had been able to stay with HRC. Derrick went off and worked for Eddy in 1987 based out of Belgium. At the end of 1987 HRC pulled out of trials. It seemed like the RTL four-stroke engine could not be developed any further without major investment into the project.”    

With the four-stroke engine finished, Honda turned to developing a two-stroke trials bike, the Honda TLM. I had left Honda by then and was working for Silkolene Lubricants. I did ride the TLM 200 and the TLM 250 through a dealer. The bikes were not bad and I did have some success especially on the 250. Honda did have quite good sales as well. The last trials bike they produced in Japan was the TLM 260.

The Honda TLM260R brochure when launched by HRC. – Honda Racing Corporation/Honda Motor Company. [5]

Production then went to Montesa Honda where they produced a world-beating trials motorcycle. They then went full circle and produced another world beating four-stroke. So from the initial idea to built the Seeley Honda TL200E came bigger and greater things – Funny how things turn out.”

Technical Data – Seeley Honda TL200E:

Honda UK, Power Road, Chiswick [2]

Seeley Honda TL200E Wiring:

Starting from CDI unit, there are six wires via (m/f) (connecting to >)
green (m) > frame (earth)
black/red (m) > black + red label (alternator)
bleu/yellow (f) > blue + yellow label (cdi rotor)
green (f) > green
black/white (m) > kill switch
black/white (f) > coil Ref: m = Male Connector; f = Female connector

Coil: Tec ES41 CDI

CDI: Shindengen 01-03

Useful Seeley part numbers:

Description                            Honda Part Number or alternative

Throttle Cable: H02-4-008 (Venhill, UK)

Clutch Cable: H02-3-009 (Venhill, UK)

Front Brake Cable: H02-1-009 (Venhill, UK)

Valve Lifter Cable: V01-6-002 (Venhill, UK)

Cam Chain tensioner guide: 14550-427-000

TLR200 Kick-start: 28300-KJ2-000

Rear brake arm: 43411 354 000 or         43410 KA3 000 (discontinued)

Rectifier/Resistor unit: 30400-437-013 (30400437013)

Exhaust Flange: 18231-355-000

Exhaust Collets (2): 18233-437-000

Exhaust copper gasket: 18291-MN5-650

Cap Inspection: 12361-355-000 or 12361-383-000

Oil Strainer Screen: 15421-107-000

Crankcase Breather Hose: 15761-437-000

Front Pipe XL185: 18320-427-013

Swinging Arm Bushes: 52147-028-300 (52147028300) Same as XL100 US

Brake Shoes Front & Rear: 06430-GBJ-J10 (Genuine Honda part)

(alternative: EBC Part No. 304G)

Front Wheel Bearings (2): 6301.2RSR.C1           

Rear Wheel Bearings (2): 6302.2RSR.C1

Front Hub: 44601-400-000 or 44601-360-000 (Elsinore 1976, same part).

Head Race Bearings (2): 6204.2RSR.C1

Keihin Carb Type: Keihin PC20

Main Jet: (99101-116-1050) = 105 Main                             

Gasket Set Keihin PC20:  16010-GCR-000

Pilot (Slow) Jet:  99103-149-0380 = K38 Pilot

Front Sprocket: 10T

Rear Sprocket – TR211 Talon: 45T

Chain: 100 plus ½ link

(Readers should satisfy themselves that part numbers are correct when ordering from any supplier of components, be that OEM or substitute.)

Donald Finnie on his Honda TL200E – Photo: Jimmy Young.

Bibliography, copyright and credits:

‘Colin Seeley …and the rest’ By Colin Seeley, 2008 – Redline Books – ISBN: 978-0-95555278-1-4 [1].

Honda UK – Instruction Manual – Honda TL200E (1979) [2].

Montesa/Honda Sales Literature [3].

HRC/Honda Motor Company sales literature. [4] [5].

We are indebted to Trevor Kemp for his first hand account of his time with Honda UK and the Seeley Honda trials enterprise.

Trials Guru’s John Moffat with Colin Seeley in March 2008 during interviews at the Scottish Motorcycle Show at the Royal Highland Centre, Edinburgh – Photo: Archie Love.

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Dalesman – Built in Yorkshire

Peter Edmondson competing with his own product, the Dalesman Puch 125T in 1970 – Photo: Barry Robinson, with permission.

Words: Trials Guru with: Scott Ellis; Mick Wilkinson; Richard Sunter; John Moffat; Nick Procter; Chris Griffin; Andrew Tyson; Nigel Megson; John Maxfield; Mick Grant; George Webb; Rodger Mount; Martin Christie and Nick Jefferies. (Guide: Read time 53 Minutes)

Photos: Eric Kitchen; Barry Robinson with permission of his estate; OffRoad Archive; Carol Dabill; Ian Robertson; Bonhams Auctioneers; Nick Procter; Alex Fowlie; John Honeyman; Don Dudley by Mark Weston; Claire Brooker-Milligan; Robert Harting; Ian Preston; Steve Robinson; John Maxfield; Cycle World, USA; Motor Cycle, UK; Mick Mosley; Trial.AT; Malcolm Carling by Nick Haskell; Smith Family Collection; Grant Shotwell; Carlo Orlandi; Andrew Tyson; Nick Jefferies; Derrick Edmondson. (Main Photo: Andrew Tyson).

With the help from riders, enthusiasts, owners and people in the motorcycle trade, Trials Guru continues to bring you articles on not only trial events and riders, but also the motorcycles. We have for you the history of a motorcycle that was built in the West Riding of Yorkshire and sold to riders both in the UK and further afield. It was the brain-child of a true enthusiast and a great character, dare we say legend from the world of trials and scrambles, Peter Edmondson, naturally he named it the ‘Dalesman’.

It all starts somewhere:

The Puch M125 road going motorcycle, the engine of which would eventually power the Dalesman. (Photo: Steyr-Daimler-Puch A.G.)

Without a doubt, Sammy Miller’s smart move from Ariel to the Spanish-made Bultaco marque in late 1964 was indeed a well-documented ‘game changer’, as far as trials was concerned. The Sant Adrià de Besòs built 244cc Sherpa T sounded the final death knell for the established heavyweight four-stroke in trials. This opened the door to smaller capacity machines for trials use. There were opportunities to be had, success to be secured for the taking.

By the late 1950s, several UK motorcycle manufacturers had already started to produce a range of smaller capacity, two-stroke lightweight trials and scrambles machines which took on the established larger capacity engined machines and beat them. Most of these manufacturers weren’t large concerns, some were of a cottage industry set up, or even a modest garden shed. All of them long gone. But by the mid to late 1960s, the doyen of trials commentators, Ralph Venables had named the small capacity machines generically as ‘clockwork mice’.

A rare, but little known, trials machine, built by Bill Juke in Birmingham. The 125cc Sachs five speed engined Diamond, spotted at the 1969 Bemrose Trial by Don Dudley, photo permission of Mark Weston.

Yorkshireman, Peter Gaunt had been experimenting and developing privately since 1967 with trials machines derived from the products of both Japanese and Eastern European manufacturers and was having some noteable success. The Gaunt Suzuki, a conversion using the 120cc Trail Cat (TC120), a USA specification trail bike with a three speed gearbox with high and low ratio facility, gave Suzuki GB the opportunity to have a useable machine in trials and the chance to create teams for national trials and the SSDT. More on the very talented Peter Gaunt later.

Peter Gaunt on one of his creations, the 128cc Suzuki on ‘Achintee’ at the 1969 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: OffRoad Archive.

Scottish Puchs!

Norman F. W. Edgar (125cc Puch) on Tyndrum in 1968. Norman was Scottish Trials Champion in 1966/67 & 69. He came 62nd in the 1968 SSDT on 215 marks to take a first class award on the little Puch which was built by his brother, Derek. Photo: Ian Robertson, Midlothian

In Edinburgh Scotland, the Scottish Puch agents were Edgar Brothers, 241 Leith Walk. Derek Edgar, who worked in the family business, had already been developing his own 125cc Puch trials machine with some help from the Puch factory, both for one day and International Six Days use in 1968. His older brother, triple Scottish Trials Champion Norman, would also ride a Puch 125 in the 1968 Scottish Six Days Trial. Both these brothers were having some success with the small capacity machines and others were taking note. Derek Edgar would eventually go to work for Steyr-Daimler-Puch at their Graz factory in 1970.

Derek J. Edgar from Edinburgh on his self developed Puch 125 (NFS1G) in the 1969 British Experts Trial – Photo: Malcolm Carling with permission of Nick Haskell.

However, down in deepest Yorkshire in Otley, a market town in the West Riding, there came purpose-built trials, scrambles and enduro machines called naturally, ‘Dalesman’. This was the brainchild of entrepreneur, Peter Edmondson from Horsforth, a successful scrambles and trials rider who owned the ‘Otley Cycle and Motor Cycle Depot’ business at 43-45 Boroughgate, Otley. He also held dealerships for Greeves, Bultaco and BSA motorcycles. He proudly proclaimed he was Yorkshire’s 100% competition specialist.

Peter Edmondson’s Ford Transit in the middle to late 1960s. Photo courtesy of Derrick Edmondson

Development of the Dalesman began early in 1968 and consequently at this time, the supply of the proprietary Villiers two-stroke engine was restricted by the brand owner, Norton Villiers and would be supplied exclusively to their AJS marque, now under Manganese Holdings control. It was a time of change in the trials world. This ultimately affected British manufacturers which included Greeves, Sprite, DOT and Cotton. Greeves would eventually buy in the Austrian Puch engine, Sprite went for the German made Sachs, while DOT and Cotton went down the Italian Minarelli route to power their chassis.

The Ashfield Works in Otley property where Dalesman were built as it is today.

Peter Edmondson formed ‘Dalesman Competition Products’, which was based at 6 & 7 Ashfield Works, Beech Hill, Otley in 1968 and had chosen the aluminium alloy, 125cc Puch unit to power the new trials machine.

The Austrian Puch 123.5cc engine, manufactured at the Steyr-Daimler-Puch A.G plant at Graz. Lower Austria.

Early model designations of the Dalesman Puch was quite simple, 125T (Trials); 125MX (Motocross/Scrambles) and 125E (Enduro).

The 1970 Dalesman Puch 125T Trials model fitted with MP front forks and Puch front and rear hubs. (Photo: Bonhams)

Looking to the USA market:

Edmondson was quick to exploit the demand for smaller capacity machines in the United States and was keen to ship complete bikes across the pond, creating an earnings potential for the US dollar. In late 1970 the MX and E models were retailing at $750.

1970 promotion leaflet for the Dalesman Puch range, showing the 125E model offered by the USA importer, Jeckel Industries.

In an article published in Cycle World magazine in November 1970 it stated that the USA market bikes were four speeders and not six: “Unlike the all-Puch 125 featured in our June 1970 issue, the Dalesman’s proprietary Puch engines have only four speeds instead of six. Otherwise, the Dalesman Puch engine is of equal quality, with all-alloy unit construction, chromium bore, and the use of roller and needle bearings for all appropriate engine and transmission parts. Both engines run strong, with little vibration, and start easily, although the basic position of the kick starter is awkward. It rubs on the shins when riding in any position.” [1]

Gordon Jackson from Guisely on a 125 Dalesman Puch 125T at a Yeadon & Guisely trial in 1970.

Edmondson approached Steyr-Daimler-Puch (Great Britain) Ltd, the British subsidiary of the Austrian parent company and UK concessionaires who were based in 211 Lower Parliament Street, Nottingham. It was agreed with their managing director, Peter Bolton to explore further the potential for Edmondson to buy components which included the 124cc, four speed engine used in the M125S model, as well as the rear wheel hub, chain adjusters and for the trials model, front forks, and hub from the lightweight VZ50 moped.

The Dalesman trials model used the front hub assembly from the Puch VZ50 moped, laced to a WM1 Dunlop chromed steel rim, up until 1973. Photo: Alex Fowlie.

Peter Bolton was keen to guide Puch in Edmondson’s direction, as he believed in the potential of the Puch engine in off-road motorcycle sport.

A complete Puch M125S at this time cost £214. Complete engines would be sold direct to Dalesman Competition Products at around £30 per unit.

Detail of the 1969/70 four-speed engine showing the Bing carburettor with the offset float as fitted to the early models using the Puch engine.

The Otley machines would be fitted with German BING 24mm carburettors. The finished article would retail for £199 in kit form, to avoid Purchase Tax.

High on the North Yorkshire moors, Peter Edmondson sampling his own work, photographed by Barry Robinson in 1970.

Puch produced higher tuned versions of their 125 engine which were used in the MC125 models, these became popular in European motocross, ISDT and enduros, called the ‘GS’ or Gelande Sport variants.

Puch finer points:

Rider’s eye view of the 1970 Dalesman Puch 125T Trials model. (Photo: Bonhams)

The 125cc Puch crankcases had a small slotted head drain screw located in the centre of the lower surface, so that if the engine became ‘flooded’ by overfuelling, the crankcases could be quickly drained of excess fuel with a screwdriver, to enable a clean re-start. The engine featured an engine speed clutch, mounted on the offside of the crankshaft and used helical gear primary drive, with no primary chain. Ignition was provided by a 6V Bosch AC flywheel generator. Lubrication was by 16:1 two-stroke SAE30 motor oil mixed with the petrol. When the more advanced specialised two-stroke oils became more widely available, the ratio was weakened to 25:1. The sump was heavily finned to aid heat dissipation from both the gearbox and crankcase. The Puch’s generous cylinder head finning was arranged in a sun-burst configuration to assist with heat dissipation.

The 1971 Puch MC125 used a highly tuned six speed version of the Puch engine. Photo: Carlo Orlandi.

In Austria, Viennese trials rider, Walther Luft was dominating the national scene there with his factory supported 169cc Puch which he had been developing himself. He would compete in the 1970 Scottish Six Days Trial taking the ‘Edinburgh Trophy’ for the Best Foreign Rider award. Yet another boost for the Puch power plant. It was in 1969 that Greeves having lost their supply of Villiers engines would agree terms to buy in the 169cc six speed units for their new ‘Pathfinder’ model.

Austrian, Peter Bous helps get his friend, Walther Luft’s 169cc Puch scrutineered at the 1970 Scottish Six Days. The official on the left is David Miller, holding the machine is Peter Bous and on the right the official is Ian Baird, son of the SSDT Clerk of the Course, George Baird. (Photo: Trial.AT)

The Puch M125 and M125S (with more lighting and the model sold in the UK) road models were manufactured by Steyr-Daimler-Puch Aktuelle Gesellschaft at their factory in Graz, Lower Austria from 1966 until 1971 and were marketed in the USA as the ‘Sears 125’ by Sears, Roebuck and Company who ran a mail-order retail business. Total production of all M125 models was 10,769. The whole machine was well built with high quality components. The engine was both robust and the build quality high.

Dalesman chassis:

Photo: Alex Fowlie.

Engines don’t make a competition motorcycle alone, a chassis is required and one that stands up to competition use. Manufacture of the Dalesman frame and swinging arm was farmed out to specialist Jim Lee who was the sponsor of seven times TT winner, Mick Grant.

Seven times TT winner, Mick Grant was sponsored by Jim Lee who made the Dalesman frames. Grant’s helmet design being the initials ‘JL’ seen here on the works Kawasaki at Scarborough races. Photo: Barry Robinson with permission.

Mick Grant had been enrolled in an academic course at a local college, but became frustrated as he wanted funds to go racing. So being a resourceful chap, he took various labouring type jobs, even driving a fork-lift truck to earn some money. Jim Lee approached Mick and offered him a job and also built Mick bikes to race.

Mick Grant:I was employed to help Jim make frames as the Dalesman job had taken off. I am led to believe the early frames were brazed, but the ones I did were all TIG welded. A fair bit of fabrication work was carried out at Armley prison at that time. Jim first built me a BSA Gold Star, then Yamaha and then the Norton Commando to race. I must admit that although I made frames for the Dalesman, I didn’t actually rate them highly as a trials bike, it was up against some serious Spanish competition at the time.”

The frames were a full cradle, duplex design made with Reynolds ‘531’ a manganese–molybdenum, medium-carbon steel tubing. This accomodated the Puch engine’s central exhaust port. Whilst these were fairly well-made frames, there had been several instances of some frames fracturing just below the headstock at stress points created where the two down tubes joined the headstock tube. This was overcome by strengthening the headstock area on later frames.

Detail of the second series Dalesman Puch chassis with the straight tube style rear subframe. Note the headstock area which shows part of the large diameter top tube and smaller brace tube, the twin tube full cradle can be seen clearly. This is current owner, Alex Fowlie’s machine undergoing a complete restoration. Photo: Alex Fowlie.

Initially, two different frames were made with some minor differences, the Dalesman Puch trials version took advantage of the growing demand for the smaller capacity machines in trials, while the Dalesman Puch scrambles variant was a good seller in the growing ‘Schoolboy Scrambles’ market which had become popular in Britain. The original trials frame had a rear-end portion with a swan neck shape, compared to the scrambles frame which was much more straight.

John Seward regularly featured in the weekly motorcycle press in 1969 when scrambling his 125cc Dalesman Puch, the REH front forks and hub, underslung exhaust are clearly shown in this photo. Photo credit: Motor Cycle, October 1969 (Paper closed 1983)

The Motor Cycle, October 1969 reported that fourteen year old John Seward from Chertsey in Surrey, on a 125MX Dalesman Puch had won the schoolboy scrambles Senior title at Horley near Banbury, Oxfordshire. This was the first ever national schoolboy scrambles championship. Previously only BSA Bantam powered machines had been used for the fledgling youth motocross in the UK. [4]

Ace trials rider, Nigel Birkett also raced a 125 Dalesman in local scrambles in Cumbria early in his riding career.

Well known trials rider, Cumbrian Nigel Birkett was also a talented scrambles rider in his youth, seen here racing a Dalesman Puch at a Bootle Scrambles Club event.

Former Dalesman employee Nick Procter takes up the story:

My father and I frequently visited Pete Edmondson on a regular basis in the 1960s at his Otley motor cycle premises. Dad used to purchase competition bikes from him and became close friends along with Peter Gaunt. Pete Gaunt was building his little Suzuki trials bikes and Dad purchased two, one for my brother Tim and one for me. Because Peter Gaunt was having success with his Gaunt Suzukis, Pete Edmondson thought, if he can do it, I can. There was always a little rivalry between the two. ‘Eddy’ came across a Puch M125 and found it to be an interesting project and started hacking it about in his home garage in late 1967, early 1968 and built a trials bike there. He was friendly with Paul England who had been a works supported Triumph rider and he convinced Paul to ride it in competition. As he competed on it, the bike got altered for the better. Pete Eddy got more and more convinced he could produce and sell these machines and in late 1968 started to go into small production with them on the upper floor of his shop on Boroughgate, Otley. There was just Pete to start with and his shop assistant John Patterson at that time. Eddy had produced a handful of bikes when I joined him in June 1969, John Patterson had just left Pete’s employment at that time.

Detail of an early 125 Dalesman Puch, WWX19G which was Scott Ellis’s works bike on loan from the factory to West Yorkshire motorcycle racer, Robin Fitton in 1969. Fitton used the Dalesman over the winter months to keep fit for the racing season. Tragically he was killed the following year while practicing at the Nurburgring for the 1970 West German GP. This photo shows the spindly Puch front forks and small moped derived hub. Photo: Barry Robinson with permission.

My first week working for Pete was quite interesting, as his wife Kath was heavily pregnant with Paul, and Pete told me he was going to Austria to the Steyr-Daimler-Puch factory to meet Count Otto Von Herberstein who lived in a castle near Graz and had a huge collection of off-road bikes and a financial interest in Steyr-Daimler-Puch, to arrange a deal to supply engines, front forks, and hubs. He left me with the shop to run straight from leaving school at fifteen years old. When he got back, he advised me he had secured a deal with Puch.

Dunfermline clubman and club official, Jim Honeyman trying out his son John’s 1970 model Dalesman Puch (NKW248H) in 1975. Photo: John Honeyman, Markinch, Fife.

Soon after, he had Terry Wright riding for him who was great at advising on modifications to the bike. Fabricator, Jim Lee at Birstall Smithies, Batley near Leeds, was building bike frames with Mick Grant who worked for him at that time. R.A. Peatey and Sons in Yeadon were powder coating the frames in a green finish. Early bikes also had the D type air cleaners that were fitted to the Triumph Cub. Later Puch models had alloy air box made by Jim Anderson at Baildon, the same chap also made the fuel tanks for the Gaunt Jawa.”

Ray Sayer from Bellerby in North Yorkshire rode the works Dalesman Puch six-speeder (BWW80H) in the 1970 Scott Trial – Photo: Malcolm Carling by permission of Nick Haskell.

As soon as we got the bikes built, Pete was searching for competitive riders up and down the country and supplied them with bikes to evaluate. Three notable riders were Ray Sayer, Scott Ellis, and the up-and-coming Chris Milner.”

Scott Ellis’s very early works four-speeder Dalesman Puch (WWX19G), which had a nickle plated frame, captured at the 1969 Bemrose Trial by Don Dudley, permission from Mark Weston.

In December 1969, the number of bikes being produced outgrew the current premises and we had to move to the upper floor unit in Ashfield works Otley.”

The former retail business of Peter Edmondson was sold to Ray Dell Motorcycles – Photo Nick Procter.

Pete sold the retail motorcycle business to Ray Dell of Pudsey. On moving to Ashfield, we had to employ more staff and something to assure the bank manager that the business was viable, so Pete in his usual way employed the bank manager’s son, David Brown as company accountant.

A great character from the sport of trials, Stuart ‘Stelvio’ Hyslop was Chief Storeman at Dalesman Products. (Photo courtesy of his grand-daughter)

Pete took on Dave Carr and John Scarry, local trials riders to start putting the bikes together in kit form fashion, so from the two of us we were now five. He then found we needed a stock controller and Stuart ‘Stelvio’ Hyslop joined in parts control. We also had the local Police Sergeant working for us part time, John Hartley who collected parts and generally kept a security eye on us.”

Pete Edmondson with Joel Robert in 1969. (Photo courtesy of Derrick Edmondson)

Now we were also producing scrambles bikes in 125cc form and opportunities were now building. Steyr-Daimler Puch brought in Joel Robert to test the scrambler in Belgium and Pete supplied a few over there.”

Part completed Dalesman trials models at the Otley works in 1971. The machines were offered in ‘Kit’ form to save on Purchase Tax. (Photo: Nick Procter)

Ron Jeckel of Jeckel industries in the USA ordered a batch of fifty, if I remember correctly, I do remember filling a container with trials and scramble bikes ready for dispatch.

Motocross champion, Joel Robert helped develop the 125MX Dalesman. This tank decal was the very first style used on all Dalesman in 1968-69.

How we managed to build all these bikes in these upper floor premises is beyond me. We also produced three bikes for the ISDT in that year too.

Parts were collected and produced from all areas of the country. All the Puch parts, engines, front forks, wheel hubs from Nottingham, Dunlop Tyres from Fort Dunlop Birmingham, the handlebars, levers, air filters, alloy mudguards, seats and the fuel tanks, all came from Wassell’s in Burntwood, Lichfield. The Robin E. Humphries ‘REH’ front forks and Girling rear shocks came from Birmingham. Boy, did we have fun collecting bike parts.”

Rear wheel detail showing the Puch hub which was quickly detachable with six drive pegs which mated with the rubber inserted ‘cush drive’. Photo: Alex Fowlie.

One of the most interesting was the exhaust systems which somehow Pete had done a deal with HM Prison Leeds at Armley in Leeds to have them made by the inmates. Pete knew just about everybody and had contacts all over the place. One of the worst days l had was when Pete told David Brown and I to get in the van and go and retrieve the bikes from Scott Ellis and Chris Milner, it wasn’t pleasant as Chris was a friend of mine and I don’t think they were given much notice. One highlight was when Terry Wright finished twenty-second and second best newcomer in the SSDT and followed up by winning the Manx Two Day Trial in 1970, this was Dalesman’s one and only national trials win, however Terry did have some centre wins on the Dalesman as well.

Dave Brown and I left Dalesman in 1971 but have good memories of our time there.”

Terry Wright’s Manx Two Day Trial win in 1970 (Researched by Nigel Megson):

Held on Saturday 29th August and Sunday 30th August 1970, the Manx Two Day trial boasted an entry of two hundred and one starters and was over two circular routes that started at 8.15am from the famous TT Grandstand. The Saturday route traversed the south of the Island and had thirty-four sections  and the Sunday route went over the North of the island and also had the same number of sections.

On paper, the favourite to win was Montesa’s Gordon Farley who had travelled all the way from Kent and who would be riding his works supported 247 Cota. He would be up against experts from West and South Yorkshire, many of whom were riding ‘mini’ 125cc bikes. Riding numbers probably favoured the top runners, who were starting from the middle of the field as the riding order was reversed for the Sunday.

The riders lined up as follows: Dave Thorpe on the 250cc OSSA ‘Pennine’ was riding number 68; Terry Wright on his Dalesman Puch was riding number 92; Gordon Farley with number 126; Gerald Rathmell on the works 125cc Sprite with number 142; Jim Sandiford on a 250 Bultaco 66; Paul England on a 125cc Dalesman Puch was number 160; a young Nick Jefferies was number 75 on the ex-Gordon Farley factory Triumph Tiger Cub, next to the popular Stan Cordingley on a 250cc Bultaco, who finished in 8th place on 24 marks, riding number 76.

On the Saturday, Dave Thorpe had a good steady ride losing three marks, Terry Wright on his Dalesman lost five on the slippery hill at ‘Billown’ and Gordon Farley finished up losing nine including, in what for him, must have been a disastrous day, with a maximum at ‘Poylvaaish’ and several dabs at the Arragon River.

On the Sunday, Dave Thorpe went pretty much to pieces losing thirteen marks whilst Gordon Farley had the best ride of the day losing four marks. Terry Wright suffered a five on the vicious sections at ‘Tholt-Y-Wil’, but he did retain his composure and nerve for the rest of the event including the ultra steep rock climb at Sartfell Park to take the win.

The final results of the 1970 Manx Two-Day Trial were:

1st – Terry Wright (125cc Dalesman) – 10 marks

2nd – Gordon Farley (250cc Montesa) – 13 marks

3rd – Dave Thorpe (250cc Ossa) – 16 marks

4th – Paul England (125cc Dalesman) – 17 marks

5th – Gerald Rathmell (125cc Sprite) – 20 marks

6th – Jim Sandiford (250cc Bultaco) – 22 marks

The team prize went to the Wetherby ‘A’ team which comprised Terry Wright, Gerald Rathmell and John ‘Killer’ Kendrew (Dalesman Puch) who finished in 9th place on 24 marks.

When asked about Dalesman’s Manx win, Pete Edmondson confirmed that he gave Terry Wright £10, being his bonus for winning a national trial.

Scott Ellis on Dalesman:

My day job, in those days, was as an engineer with BMC, having been there since I was sixteen, and I had been riding trials for BSAs and Triumph. Peter Edmondson approached me about a Puch engined bike he had built that he needed some development work on. The first Dalesman I rode didn’t handle too well, so I suggested altering the steering angle and I ended up with WWX19G and we got it handling and riding very well indeed. The frame was strong and mine was nickle plated and it was on this trials bike that I won the Welsh Three Day Trial in 1969. However it was fitted with a special engine sent over from Puch. It was quite quick as I recall. I had a good relationship with SDP at Nottingham and I visited the factory at Graz where Walther Luft had been doing a lot of work with the Puch factory to develop a trials bike. It was however a challenge to convince the Puch engineers as to how a trials engine should perform, they seemed to be more interested and comfortable in developing motocross and enduro engines. I do recall that they came and collected my bike and that of Chris Milner all of a sudden. I went on to further develop the Pathfinder for Greeves which of course used the 169cc six speeder engine by Puch.”

Specification:

The first model Dalesman Puch 125 engine specification was as follows:

Displacement: 123.5cc; Bore and stroke: 55mm x 52mm, with alloy cylinder head and cylinder with a chrome bore; Max output: 12 bhp @ 7000 rpm; Max torque: 9.1 ft/lb @ 6700 rpm; Compression ratio: 10:1; Transmission: 4-speed. Both the trials and scrambles version used a BING 24mm carburettor with a centralised float (some of the works development machines used an offset float chamber). The Dalesman trials version weighed in at 162 pounds.

With an encouraging win at the Welsh Three Day Trial in 1969 by Scott Ellis, a selection event for the ISDT, this spurred on Edmondson to built scrambles and enduro versions.

Dealer network:

Sales through 1969 were brisk and a small network of dealers was built up which included: Allan Jefferies in Shipley; Terry Silvester in Holmfirth; Athol Motor Cycles in Pitlochry, Perthshire the Scottish Distributors; C & M Shutt in Rossendale; Ray Dell in Pudsey; John Ward Garages, Nottingham; R.G. Callow in Newport, Monmouthshire; H. Lee in Cradley Heath; Norman Crooks at Northallerton; Peter Wagstaffe of Wharfe Motorcycles in Whitchurch, Shropshire, to name but a few.

Trevor Hay from Edinburgh, testing a brand new Dalesman Puch, fitted with the MP front forks, for the Scottish Clubman magazine. The machine was supplied for the test by Athol Motor Cycles, Manse Road, Pitlochry in 1971.

Promotion of the brand:

Pete Edmondson supplied a brand new, road registered Dalesman Puch for the SACU President, Jim Birrell who would use the bike to steward the Scottish Six Days Trial in 1969. This gave some publicity for the Otley product as it would be seen daily as transport between sections. The bike had in fact already been pre-sold to a local Yorkshire farmer as a demonstrator.

The trials model and scrambler had slightly different frame configurations, the trials version had 50.5 inches wheelbase with the scrambler two inches longer and 1.5 inches lower, which was extended later by one inch. The scrambles version had a large diameter top tube at this time.

Journalist, Peter Howdle reported in his ‘Feet Up’ column in Motor Cycle News of December 10, 1969 that Peter Edmondson had announced that a Puch six speed 125 version would be made available only for the American market. The specification included a motocross type air filter, shielded by plastic side panels, folding footrests and a high-level exhaust system with a detachable silencer. Edmondson also announced the intention that Dalesman would field two teams at the 1970 ISDT in Spain. [3]

The 1969 ISDT Dalesman Puchs:

In 1969, the International Six Days Trial would be held at Garmisch-Partenkirchen in Bavaria between the 15 – 20th September. Dalesman had built three special hybrids machines for the event, this would lead to the firm making a bespoke ‘enduro’ model the following year with the model name 125E. The three specials had twenty-inch front wheel rims using ‘satinised’ Dunlop rims, eighteen-inch rear wheels with WM2 chromed steel Dunlop rims, REH front forks and hubs, a motocross style seat, a motocross style still air box with paper element air filter and Wico-Pacy head and tail-lights powered by the flywheel generator system from the M125S Puch road machine. The fuel tank was fixed by two rubber bosses held in place by two frame fixings, these slotted into a channel on each of the inner face of the alloy tank, near the front of the tank and a leather strap holding everything down at the rear, this was to aid speedy removal of the tank to access the coil. Normally the Dalesman tank was secured by a central bolt fixing direct to the top tube. They also had a centre stand so that either wheel could be quickly removed and ‘Tommy-Bars’ could be deployed to both wheel spindles. The Puch rear hub was a quickly detachable type with no requirement to disturb the drive chain when a puncture required repair. The bikes had high level motocross style exhaust systems which were fitted to the nearside of the machines. The frames were those for the scrambles Dalesman finished in a leaf green enamel. The ISDT machines were to be issued to Scott Ellis, although he eventually rode a Puch from the factory as a privateer, the other two were issued to the Scottish ACU for the Great Britain Vase B Team. These two bikes destinged for Scotland were financed by SACU President, haulage contractor, Jim Birrell from Markinch, Fife and ridden in the event by Ernie Page and Ian Millar. Page registered the two SACU bikes as PSG564H (Millar) and PSG565H (Page), through his Edinburgh motorcycle shop, Page Motors Ltd. Bonnyrigg trials rider, Ian Robertson assisted Ernie Page by offering to run the new Dalesman in for him. Robertson rode Page’s machine from Edinburgh, down the A7 to Galashiels in the Borders and back again. However it was soon discovered that the bike’s gearing was way too tall, so larger rear sprockets were called for. The two bikes were sold off after the event.

Enduro:

By 1972, Dalesman had made inroads into the enduro market and had enlisted Mick Wilkinson who had been reasonably successful in trials with the Greeves Pathfinder using the 169cc Puch motor and by now was riding Ossa for Peter Fletcher of Ossa Moto UK in trials.

Mick Wilkinson:I received a very special Dalesman which had been put together by Alec Wright of Competition Developments, it used many high quality parts and it was a real flyer. It was a 125 using the Sachs engine, but there wasn’t another one like it, I can’t remember what the registration number was, but I took it to the ISDT at Czechoslovakia after testing it at home and at Bordon for the selection tests. It was very quick, but I hadn’t ridden it fast on the open roads. In the ISDT on the first day, we came onto a road section and I was travelling quickly, I hit a small pothole with the front wheel and the bike went into a massive tank slapper. I held on trying to ride through it, but it just wouldn’t stop slewing from lock to lock, I couldn’t control it and I hit the deck still holding the handlebars, but it wrecked the bike and that was the end of the Dalesman and my ISDT that year. The following year the ISDT was in America and I stayed with Ron Jeckel who was now fully in charge of Dalesman, that was a more conventional Dalesman I rode still using the Sachs engine, but it was the 1972 bike that I really rated, I came home in second place in the Brecons Enduro that year as well.”

Output:

Production statistics were not recorded, but it is believed that approximately 2000 motorcycles were manufactured over the six-year period that the Dalesman was in production. Three quarters of these were exported to the United States through the importer, Jeckel Industries. The remainder were sold to home and mainland European markets. In the early days, around six were exported to Joel Robert in Belgium as the 125cc European championship was gaining popularity, some were re- branded as ‘JRD’ which stood for Joel Robert Developments.

The JRD branded Dalesman in 1969, as supplied to World Motocross Champion, Joel Robert in Belgium.
The scrambles and trials versions of the 1969 Dalesman, the scrambles version with the underslung expansion chamber type exhaust, REH forks and front hub. The trials version with the lightweight Puch front forks and hub and a smaller, high-level exhaust – Photo: Cycle World USA [2]

In 1970, Dalesman had fielded a team of three Yorkshire riders in the Scottish Six Days, namely Terry Wright, Paul England and John ‘Killer’ Kendrew. Wright was second best newcomer taking the ‘Ben Nevis Challenge Quaich’ and placed in twenty-second position on 125 marks, England came home in twenty-fifth place on 136 marks and John Kendrew in thirty-eight position on 174 marks. This was no mean achievement when you consider that the first twenty or so places were filled by riders who were competing in the European Trials Championship and within five years, would be competing in the World Trials Championship.

Yorkshireman, Paul England switched from riding a Bultaco to ride for Dalesman in 1970 at the Scottish Six Days.

A new frame for the trials version for the 1970 season, tested on Gerald Rathmell’s bike, was announced in late 1969 in the Motor Cycle weekly paper, the rear subframe which had been a swan-necked design was changed to be similar to the scrambles frame, but retained the shorter wheelbase. Rathmell’s works Dalesman had quite a few different components fitted, the most noticeable being an all alloy silencer, tucked well in towards the frame with twin outlets.

Arrival of the Sachs engines:

The Puch engine was supplied in four and six speed variants, but production began to drop off around 1971, when the M125 model was being phased out, so Dalesman switched over exclusively to the 125cc German made Sachs engine which had a six-speed gearbox.

Rival manufacturers, Sprite and Saracen had been using the Sachs power plant for some time. KTM in Austria also relied on Sachs engines up until 1973, for both their KTM and Penton branded models, when they started making their own engines at Mattighofen.

The adoption of the Sachs engine necessitated that the final drive was on the opposite side from the Puch engined machines. Sachs output was on the right (offside) whereas the Puch was on the left (kerbside). As a result, the Puch QD rear hub would not be used, so Dalesman started to use the rear hub assembly from REH, which Saracen and Sprite had also been using. The change over to Sachs engines required a change of tooling at the Dalesman factory and the frame makers.

Press advert for the Dalesman in 1972 when production was switching over to the 125cc Sachs engine.

Dalesman had branched out into the growing ‘enduro’ market which was becoming popular in the USA and of course in Europe where German and Austrian trials were basically enduros more so than observed trials.

The 1971 Dalesman catalogue showing all three versions with the enduro fitted with the Sachs 125 six speed engine. The catalogue was printed in the USA.

Introduction of model names:

The Dalesman range on display Left to Right: Lynx (Motocross) Blue and yellow tank; Scout (Enduro) Red and white tank and the Belfast (Trials) Polished alloy tank – Photo courtesy Claire Brooker-Milligan.

The Dalesman models were given names for the 1972 season, the trial version was ‘Belfast’, possibly in recognition of Peter Gaunt’s Irish Experts trial win, the motocross was the ‘Lynx’ and the enduro was the ‘Scout’.

Detail of the Dalesman Puch ‘Lynx’ motocross model – Photo: Grant Shotwell

The motocross and enduro bikes were treated to a one-piece tank seat unit made in fibreglass, the trials model retained the alloy tank and separate saddle.

Change of components:

Metal Profiles S600 forks made in Britain.

Following continuous development, the Dalesman trials version by now were fitted with the British made MP S600 (Metal Profiles) front forks, made in Dudley, West Midlands, which were more robust than the spindly Puch components. Metal Profiles was a division of DMW Motorcycles.

When Peter Gaunt joined as a development rider in 1972, he won the Irish Experts and was 6th in the Scott Trial on the Sachs engined model. Immediately after his Irish Experts win, Gaunt added a bit more weight to the flywheel to improve bottom end performance. The Puch motor was phased out completely for the 1973 trials model, replaced by the Sachs unit.

Who rode a Dalesman?

Some noteable centre riders rode a Dalesman in their early years, for many it was their first trials bike. Riders included a sixteen year old Chris Griffin from Knaresborough whose first bike was one of the ex-works Dalesman Puchs; John Maxfield from Keighley; Richard Sunter from Reeth; Malcolm Dennis from Bedale, North Yorks; Ray Sadler who had one of ‘Killer’ Kendrew’s ex-works bikes; Chesterfield’s Chris Milner who was given a factory bike and Nigel Greenwood from Huddersfield.

Malcolm Dennis from Bedale, North Yorkshire with his Dalesman Puch in 1970.

Nigel Megson: Pete Edmondson was a tough talking, no nonsense Yorkshireman, who was in the right place at the right time. Surrounded by a huge flock of quality expert riders and had the expertise of people like Peter Gaunt on his doorstep. The price of the bike was right, the engine was bulletproof and it was lightweight. What could possibly go wrong ? I do think you had to be a half-decent rider to get the best out of it and Peter being persuasive, had every half-decent rider wanting to try one out, this of course led to it being a good beginners bike and at the time you couldn’t move for the damned things. My particular memories were Dixon Metcalfe and his son John, they rode the wheels off those bikes every weekend and John cut his teeth on an early Dalesman before going on to bigger things. His all action style was very impressive. Stuart Oughton came to a Spen Valley club championship trial and promptly won on it, against all expectations. Again, a good rider though, I did know a few blokes that did try one, but within nine months or so, were back on a Spanish 250. Happy days in the early 1970s. For me, Terry Wright trumped the lot when he won the Manx Two Day Trial in 1970.”

Chris Griffin: I bought my Dalesman from G W Johnston Motorcycles in Harrogate when I was sixteen, it was my first trials bike I’m sure it was one of ‘Killer’ Kendrew’s bikes. From memory, it had a orange frame and all the SSDT paint markings still on it. I removed the Bing carburettor and fitted a Honda Keihin carburettor to it. I had to remove some of the fins on the barrel so it would fit.”

Richard Sunter: I had one of the first Dalesman Puch which had a four speed box. I rode it for the Kart House, a bike shop in Darlington. I only rode it a couple of times, it wasn’t very good. I then rode a six speeder that Ray Sayer was riding for Pete Eddy as a one off. I fived the first section and then never went wrong after that and won among some good company,”

Gerald Rathmell, Malcolm’s younger brother, who had defected from riding Frank Hipkin’s Sprite Sachs to ride the for Dalesman in 1969. Yorkshire’s Ossa and Bultaco ace, John Metcalfe’s father Dixon rode a 125 Dalesman in the 1971 Scottish, as did Irishman Eddie Henderson.

John Maxfield (centre) on his Dalesman Puch six-speeder with trials friends, Kevin Laycock (right) also on a Dalesman Puch (Photo: John Maxfield)

John Maxfield bought a brand new six-speed Dalesman Puch from Pete Edmondson in 1971: “Mick Wilkinson took me in his mini pickup to buy it from Pete Eddy’s in Otley, we came home in the snow, Mick did a massive handbrake turn, I was impressed by feared for my new bike in the back!

1970 – Chris Milner on the works supplied 125cc Dalesman Puch on ‘Worsleys Wash’ in the Northern Experts Trial – Photo Courtesy Ann Milner.

Dalesman owner, Andrew Tyson:I bought my Dalesman Puch 125T in 1971, it was registered SET311J. I was fourteen at the time and I only kept it for about twelve months. I swopped it for a 250 Bultaco Sherpa, which was a massive difference.

Private owner Andrew Tyson with his 1971 Dalesman Puch showing the green enamelled frame, the Puch rear hub, small Puch front hub and the MP S600 front forks.

I felt the Dalesman was severely underpowered, I suspect it was maybe strangled by the exhaust system. Virtually all sections would be tackled in first gear, steep hills would be flat out in bottom gear. I remember screaming up Post Hill in bottom gear, so it wouldn’t die. It was a reasonably light bike and I rode it in schoolboy trials in the West Leeds MC.”

Andrew Tyson competing on his Dalesman 125T in a West Leeds event in 1971.

The Jefferies Connection:

Having ridden a 250cc Bultaco in 1972 with some success and being friends with Peter Gaunt, Yorkshireman, Nick Jefferies joined Dalesman in 1973, signing with Bill Brooker and rode in that year’s Scottish Six Days Trial as a member of the Dalesman works team with Gaunt on the four-stroke XL250 Honda badged as a Dalesman and Scotsman, Rodger Mount issued with Gaunt’s Sachs engined bike. While still under Dalesman contract, Peter Gaunt had approached Tony Jefferies of the family business, Allan Jefferies Ltd who were Dalesman agents and who were also Honda dealers. Gaunt’s idea was to develop a four-stroke trials machine based on the XL250 Motorsport Honda trail bike. Initially it was liveried as a ‘Dalesman’ and Gaunt rode the development/prototype in the 1973 SSDT. Shortly after, Tony Jefferies ordered a batch of twenty XL250 Motorsports through the Allan Jefferies shop in Shipley, Gaunt converted them to trials machines and these were liveried as ‘Jefferies Honda’.

Bradford’s Nick Jefferies on his factory 125cc Dalesman Sachs on ‘Ben Nevis’ during the wet and wintry 1973 Scottish Six Days Trial. Snow fell all the way from Edinburgh to Fort William on the first day.

Nick Jefferies came home in 24th position in the 1973 Scottish Six Days with a Special First Class award on his works Dalesman Sachs (LWW679K) and rated the bike highly. Jefferies left Dalesman later that year as his attention had turned to racing motorcycles of which he excelled.

Nick Jefferies:Back around 1970, it was customary for me to drive from the family business in Shipley to the Dalesman factory in Otley to pick up Dalesman bikes in kit form, as this was pre-VAT when a buyer could avoid paying Purchase Tax. I would take my Reliant van which I could drive on a provisional licence and load a box with the cycle parts and another box with the engine and take the machine back to our shop. It was really my friendship with Peter Gaunt that saw me going to ride for Bill Brooker, Ron Jeckel had a controlling interest in the company by then. I had a good ride at the Scottish Six Days, I came twenty-fourth and a Special First class award, which was bitterly cold as it snowed all of the first day from the start in Edinburgh up to Fort William. I remember seeing a Kawasaki parked against a banking on Rannoch Moor and it was Mark Kemp who was curled up frozen! I left Dalesman around the August, I don’t think I had a full years contract to ride with them, however my elder brother Tony had suffered a life changing accident on the 6th September at Mallory Park, breaking his back. It was all hands to the pumps at the business after that and it was a rather bleak time for the family at that point in time. Around that time I had decided to go racing. The reason I turned to racing, well one reason, was because I had broken my leg, it wasn’t sufficiently strong to ride trials, so I decided to buy a race bike.

Three times Scottish Trials Champion, Rodger Mount from Fort William was balloted out of the 1973 Scottish Six Days and tried to get an entry as a member of a factory or importer’s team. Mount first approached Jim Sandiford as Mount had been riding a Montesa since 1970. Sandiford’s team entries had already been allocated so he tried Dalesman.

Scotsman, Rodger Mount aboard the factory 125cc Dalesman Sachs (LWW677K) in the 1973 Scottish Six Days – Photo: Eric Kitchen.

Rodger Mount:I thought Jim Sandiford might have entered me in the official Montesa team as I had remained loyal to the brand, but his teams were by then full. Jim was a gentleman and couldn’t put someone out when he had already agreed a place. Bill Brooker at Dalesman came to my rescue and gave me a place in their team and a 125cc Sachs-powered Dalesman that had been ridden by Peter Gaunt who was riding the Dalesman Honda by then. It was quite a good machine really, but we couldn’t get it to respond correctly when we got it home to Fort William. I contacted my friend Ron Thompson who was a good engineer and mechanic, he played about with the carburation until he got it running crisper.”

Rodger Mount attacks ‘Laggan Locks’ in the 1973 Scottish Six Days on the factory Dalesman Sachs – Photo Eric Kitchen,

Rodger Mount weighed the little Dalesman into the Gorgie Market sheep pens in Edinburgh on the Sunday and noticed that the rear wheel had only one rim lock/security bolt. He spoke to Bill Brooker, who said it would be fine as it was only a 125 and wouldn’t be a problem. He started off the week with some good rides and was in front of his two team members, Peter Gaunt and Nick Jefferies. On the Friday, however, the security bolt sheared, and it is not an item that riders usually carry or one that support crews carry in vans either. Rodger had three punctures as the wheel kept pulling the valve off and into the rim, and he became two hours over the alloted time and was excluded from the trial.

Mount:When Bill Brooker heard what had happened, he was not only horrified but very apologetic, it had never happened before.”

Although the 1973 SSDT Dalesman team didn’t finish intact, the final outcome was Peter Gaunt on the special 250cc Dalesman Honda finished in twenty-second position on 140 marks, with Nick Jefferies in twenty-fourth place on 143 marks.

1973 Scottish Six Days Trial Dalesman team – Peter Gaunt aboard what had been initially liveried as a ‘Dalesman’ as Gaunt was still under contract, which was in effect a disguised XL250 Honda which Gaunt was developing for Allan Jefferies Motorcycles. (Photo: Eric Kitchen)

1973 ISDT:

As well as Mick Wilkinson, in 1973, the British Army team used Dalesman Sachs machines in the American ISDT held at Dalton in the Berkshire Hills, Massachusetts. The rules of the International Six Days had stated that riders must compete on machines manufactured in their country, although that ruling changed in later years. The Dalesman was a perfect choice for the British Army as the machines were all assembled in Britain, even although they were powered by German made engines.

In March 1973, Staffman and photo journalist, Martin Christie of Motor Cycle tested LWW680K, a Dalesman Sachs enduro that was being evaluated and tested by the British Army who would be fielding the GB Vase A Team at the 1973 ISDT. Christie reported that the Army riders had been having problems with the exhaust systems and found that the glassfibre packing was oiling up badly, removing the end cap increased performance, but removing it completely merely increased the noise output which would have caused problems at the ISDT during noise meter testing. The 1973 ISDT prepared machines had reverted to using the Puch rear hub which afforded the quickly detachable hub, it was deployed the opposite way from when the Puch engines were utilised some years previously. [5]

Martin Christie:1973 was a long time ago now and I was fairly new to off-road motorcycle sport then. I do remember having to come to terms with the high revving two-stroke and it was necessary to keep the Dalesman in the power band at all times.”

Welsh Three Day action in 1973 on the 100cc Dalesman Sachs. British Army teamster, George Webb won his class, was 6th overall and a gold medal to his credit. Flat out the machine topped 55mph!

Army rider George Webb:I rode in the US International Six Days event on the 100cc Dalesman, but unfortunately I retired on the Friday afternoon after some problems and then a front wheel puncture. The rest of the team were on the 125cc machines. I found that my bike was underpowered and maxed out at 55mph on the flat. I believe the exhaust system was to blame, being fitted with the 125cc model system. The American ISDT event was very good, with a good mix of going. In the Welsh Three Day, I rode it flat out all the time.”

1972 Peak Trial action with Peter Gaunt on his works Dalesman with the 125cc Sachs motor. VF black plastic mudguards are fitted which were popular at this time – Photo: Barry Robinson, with permission.

Disc Brakes:

Dalesman was the first trials manufacturer to develop and use front and rear disc brakes on an off-road motorcycle. Manufactured by George Sartin’s Talon Engineering in Yeovil, Somerset, these cable operated prototype disc brakes were first used on the 1972 Dalesman ISDT Works model and later, a refined version of the front disc brake was offered as an optional extra on their production motocross and enduro versions from 1973 onwards.

Peter Gaunt in 1972 on his works Dalesman, this is the Sachs 125cc engined version – Photo: Barry Robinson with permission.

Peter Gaunt also rode a disc-braked Dalesman in one-day trials. At the time many commented that a front disc brake would not be reliable, as it would be damaged significantly if it came into contact with rocks.

Peter Gaunt on his works Dalesman in the 1973 Ilkely Grand National, note the cable operated ‘Talon’ front disc brake. Photo: Barry Robinson with permission.

Jeckel Industries involvement:

By 1972. Ron Jeckel of Jeckel Industries, Glen Falls, New York State, the Dalesman American importer had, by now, already bought into the Dalesman business. It is believed that the American investment was necessary to stop Dalesman Competition from going under.

From originally being sole owner, Pete Edmondson had become the Managing Director. Jeckel wanted to increase production and in early 1972 he had brought in Bill Brooker, the former competition shop manager for Greeves Motorcycles and appointed him joint Managing Director and Competition Manager.

Bill Brooker (left) with Don Smith in 1962. Brooker became Managing Director of Dalesman. Photo: Smith Family Collection.

Edmondson became a Company Director but differences between Ron Jeckel and Edmondson persisted, culminating in Peter being voted off the board and leaving Dalesman Competition Products Ltd. Dalesman production had by then moved to the Pheonix Works in Station Road, Otley.

With the Jeckel Industries logo above, Bill Brooker (left) and Pete Edmondson (right) standing at the front door to Dalesman’s Pheonix Works, Station Road, Otley around 1972. (Photo courtesy of Ian Preston).

Peter subsequently moved south to Lichfield, Staffordshire and joined the motorcycle parts manufacturer and trade supplier, W.E. Wassell at Burntwood.

Peter wasn’t slow off the mark in helping to produce a rival to the Dalesman, the Wassell ‘Antelope’ trials machine which did bear an uncanny resemblence to the Dalesman Sachs.

1972 ‘Full Bore’ accessories advertisement from the USA, which featured a Dalesman ‘Scout’ enduro.

Edmondson was appointed as Wassell’s development engineer and production line manager. Wassell also employed Jim Lee, who had been the original frame builder for Dalesman, to manufacture the new Wassell frames. Alec Wright who ran ‘Competition Developments’, later to become involved with Kawasaki, bought into Dalesman in 1974 and became their development engineer, but the firm would only last a further six months.

Wassell’s ‘Antelope’ bore a strong resemblance to Dalesman’s Sachs powered trials machine in 1972, using many similar components.

The new Wassell was launched at the 1972 Manchester Motorcycle show, Wassell’s had been marketing for some time, a frame kit to take BSA Bantam engines, but it led to production of complete motocross, enduro and trials bikes, powered by the 125cc six-speed Sachs engine and using REH forks and hubs. Both the trials and motocross models were retailed in the UK with a list price of £315.

The Dalesman factory at Phoenix Works, Station Road, Otley – Photo: Nick Proctor

By 1974, production of the Dalesman ceased for good, sadly it was the end of the road for the small capacity machine which had its roots in Yorkshire, just six years after it all began.

The Dalesman stock of part assembled machines in 1973, the one piece tank seat units clearly visible of the enduro ‘Scout’ models and the ivory painted frames. (Photo: Claire Brooker-Milligan)
The 1972 Dalesman Sachs Enduro of Steve Robinson of Horsforth.
John ‘Killer’ Kendrew on what appears to be the ex-Nick Jefferies and Peter Gaunt works Dalesman Sachs (LWW679K) in the 1973 Allan Jefferies Trial – Photo: Barry Robinson.

Trials Guru’s John Moffat on Dalesman:

My connection with the Dalesman brand was quite simple, like many others it was my first motorcycle. My father had attended the ISDT in 1969, I had already expressed an interest in riding motorcycles to him. My Dad’s friend and colleague at the Scottish ACU was Jim Birrell, who had financed the two ISDT Dalesman bikes for Ernie Page and Ian Millar who were in the GB Vase B Team.

What started it off was when I had slung my leg over the Dalesman Puch 125T that Peter Edmondson supplied to Mr. Birrell in April 1969 for the SSDT stewarding duties. It was delivered to our house in Bathgate and Jim Birrell picked it up from there. My Dad had done a deal through a British Road Services contact at their Guildiehaugh, Bathgate depot, to transport the bike up from Otley. That initial contact made me realise that I wanted to be a motorcyclist and to ride in trials like my Dad, I was 11 years of age. I remember going over to Markinch with my Dad in the October to look at the two ISDT bikes that Jim was selling and my Dad chose PSG565H for me, the machine that Ernie Page had ridden, still with it’s race number ‘V62’ in place. The bike had blobs of light blue and red with that number inscribed and the cylinder head was wired to the cylinder barrel with an ADAC lead seal still intact. I still remember the engine number which was 3690609.

John Moffat with his ex-Ernie Page ISDT Dalesman Puch 125 in 1971. The ISDT paint marking can still be seen on the front brake plate.

A few weeks later and my friend, John Hodge had expressed an interest in riding off-road motorcycles and his father George, being a client of my Dad, secured the purchase of the second Dalesman Puch which had been ridden by Ian Millar at Garmisch-Partenkirchen. John Hodge and I spent many hours on the Hodge farm in South Lanarkshire, riding our Dalesman Puchs and we had the run of the place. Being ISDT bikes, they were not best suited to pure trials work as the frames were of the scrambles version with the REH front end. We lowered the front mudguard and removed the head and tail lights and the centre stands which got in the way of rocks in sections. They were quite high geared and we had huge rear sprockets made by Roger Maughfling at Supersprox in Knighton, Powys with around 60 teeth to reduce the overall gearing.

From memory, there were very few who rode a Dalesman in trials in Scotland, I recall George Shaw from Perth, Simon Valente from Edinburgh and John Honeyman from Dunfermline. Motocross rider, Billy Edwards from Lochmaben who rode for Comerfords on a Bultaco, then onto the adults on CCM and Kawasaki, had cut his teeth on a locally sourced Dalesman Puch in 1971 before moving on to a 125 TM Suzuki.”

I got to know Pete Edmondson about twenty or so years ago, having spoken to him many times at the Scottish Six Days. I tried to engage him to talk about the Dalesman, but he always steered away from the subject. Having latterly researched the enterprise, I can only assume it was probably because of the take-over issues he experienced with Ron Jeckel that left a bitter taste, which is understandable.”

Still, those Dalesman bikes that our Dads bought for us got many riders started in motorcycle off-roading, and it’s all thanks to Pete Edmondson.

When we started researching for this article, it was evident that many people have a bit of a soft spot for the Dalesman marque. Many trials and scrambles riders cut their teeth on the Otley built machines. Perhaps they weren’t the very best trials, enduro or scrambles bikes ever built, competition was stiff in this era, but the Dalesman Puch and Sachs brought a lot of young people into the sport of off-road motorcycling.

There are still a few Dalesman Puch and Sachs machines out there, if you know where to look for them! A very original 1970 125cc Dalesman Puch was sold by Bonhams in the USA on 9th January 2014 at the Las Vegas motorcycle auctiom at the Bally Hotel and Casino for $4,312.50 inclusive of buyer’s premium. [6]

Here and Now:

The Collectors Centre at 5-6 Kirkgate Arcade, Otley has the 1970 Dalesman on display – Photo: Carol Dabill.

Over the past few years, comments have been made on social media of a Dalesman Puch on display in an Otley antique shop window. It is a 1970 125T model with a nickle plated frame. The owner of the shop has been offered a handsome amount for the machine, but so far, has turned all offers down, preferring to keep the Dalesman on display.

The 125cc Dalesman Puch on display in an Otley Antique shop. Notice the very large 60 tooth rear sprocket to reduce the overall gearing. (Photo: Robert Harting)

Dalesman – Built in Yorkshire, sold to the world!

Peter Hugh Edmondson – 27/01/1932 – 1/05/2024

Pete Edmondson’s 90th birthday celebrations in 2022 with a period Dalesman Puch. – Left to Right: Peter Edmondson, Lee Edmondson; Julie Edmondson, Derrick Edmondson and Paul Edmondson – Photo: Edmondson Family Archives.

Years after Dalesman’s demise, Pete Edmondson went on to supply trials riders at many major events in his twilight years with clothing, tyres, tools, in fact anything that he could buy and sell with a very modest profit, merely covering his expenses. His favourite event being the Scottish Six Days Trial where he would be found sitting in the Parc Ferme outside his van, surrounded by useful items for sale including Michelin tyres at bargain prices. He enjoyed dealing, but also wanted to help riders in his own unique way. He was a well-loved part of the off-road motorcycle scene across the United Kingdom.

Pete Eddy at the Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: Nige Pearson Photography

Pete Edmondson was a ‘died in the wool’ off-road motorcycling enthusiast, who simply lived for the sport. He passed away, aged 92 on 1st May 2024 and left his legacy with his family, who are all steeped in the sport of motorcycling. He lived a full and interesting life and will be remembered by all who met and knew him.

Photo courtesy: Derrick Edmondson

Trials Guru is indebted to those who have contributed in the making of this article.

Bibliography & Acknowledgements:

Motor Cycle News: December 10th 1969 – Peter Howdle ‘Feet Up’ column. [3]

Cycle World, USA: September 1st 1969 – Dalesman Article & Photos. [2]

Cycle World, USA: November 1st 1970 – Dalesman MX and Enduro Article. [1]

Motor Cycle, UK (Ceased 1983) – October 1969 – Photo: John Seward [4].

Motor Cycle, UK (Ceased 1983) – March 3, 1973 – Report by Martin Christie [5]

Bonhams Auctioneers. [6]

Steyr-Daimler-Puch Aktuelle Gesellshaft.

Claire Brooker-Milligan, USA; Nigel Megson – Information on the 1970 Manx Two-Day Trial.

George Webb; Scott Ellis; Mick Grant; Mick Wilkinson, Kettlewell; Nick Jefferies; Rodger Mount, Fort William; Derrick Edmondson, Cannock, Staffs.

Andrew Tyson; Simon Valente; Nick Procter.

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The Dalesman and Pete Edmondson Tribute stand at the 2025 Telford Classic Dirt Bike Show – Photo: Derrick Edmondson

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It all started with a Renault 4 – The story of the ‘Jerred Hondas’

Words: Trials Guru & Peter Jerred

Photos: Iain Lawrie; Alistair MacMillan Studio, Fort William; Jimmy Young; Peter Jerred; Anthony Hylton.

In late 1972, Honda Motor Company launched their trials effort in Japan, code-named quirkily as ‘Bials for Trials’ debuting their small capacity which later became the production TL125 for the UK and Europe and the TL250 specifically for the North American market in 1975. From that time, there were to become official Honda trials models, but mainly the giant Japanese manufacturer created some very good motorcycles for the sport of trials, but few reached series production. This encouraged smaller concerns to build their own, using Honda engines. Honda even adopted a model made in the UK, built by Colin Seeley International, the Seeley Honda TL200E. This was in collaboration with Honda’s Racing Service Centre (RSC). The Seeley frame featured top and down tubing of square section as did some of the factory special Hondas.

The original 124cc TL was to provide an entry level machine for trials sport and with ten times British Champion, Sammy Miller MBE effectively in charge of development, it came as no surprise that he would eventually provide upgrade parts through his New Milton trials emporium. He would later produce a ‘Hi-Boy’ frame kit, as Sammy had produced for the Bultaco Sherpa T which he also developed from 1964 until 1974.

Honda publicity material from 1975 – Photo: Honda Motor Co

Conversely, down in St. Ives, Cambridgeshire, Peter Jerred ran a motorcycle dealership in the mid 1970s, he had taken a shine to the little Honda.

Peter was educated at Ottershaw boarding school at Ottershaw in Surrey and had studied building and land surveying at Guildford College and went on to become a senior engineer on various road projects in the south of England. He was at that time a keen scrambles rider.

Nick Holt on Ben Nevis during the 1979 SSDT – Photo: Jimmy Young.

Jerred set about building his own version of the Honda TL125 and pulled a team together for the 1979 Scottish Six Days Trial, which attracted a good bit of interest in Fort William that year, during the weigh-in Sunday. The team comprised of Nick Holt, Nick Fossey and Jim Kelly.

Nick Fossey on his Jerred Honda, tackles ‘Ben Nevis’ section in the 1979 Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: Jimmy Young.

The previous year, 1978, Nick Holt had ridden his Jerred Honda to 104th position losing 460 marks. He received a first class award and was third best 200 that year on the prototype.

Nick Holt (200 Jerred Honda) on ‘Laggan Locks’ in the 1978 SSDT, watched closely by Austrian, Joe Wallmann. Photo: Alastair MacMillan Studio, Fort William

Peter Jerred tells it in his own words:

“I had a TL125 which was rather short of power and lacked quite a lot more. Sammy Miller began selling piston kits which took them up to 150cc, which was actually a modified standard Honda 750/4 piston with some machining work done on the piston crown. So, using one of those the next thing to do was ‘stroke’ the engine. The obvious amount was six millimeters, as each link of the cam-chain was six millimeters.”

The Jerred chassis in all its glory – Photo: Peter Jerred

It all started with a Renault 4:

“Next on the list was the chassis department, Mike Mills of BSA fame had got involved, having ridden in my Renault 4 across a ploughed field, no real power but long travel soft suspension. This allowed the drive wheels to stay on the ground rather than hop across the ‘undulations’ with thanks to Murray Walker, losing grip every time it was in the air. Mike therefore designed that frame so that all standard TL parts would fit but massively increased rear travel built in to the design. Mike at that time was possibly the best engineer in the field of suspension in Europe if not the World having worked for Ohlins with international racing star, Kenny Roberts.”

The long travel rear end can be seen in this photo, the dampers were inclined and the lower mounts located closer to the engine than the TL125 Honda – Photo: Peter Jerred.

“The TL125 frame was re-designed with only two slightly bent tubes and tig welded, very unusual at the time, by talented fabricator, Bill Wooldridge in his workshop at Weedon, Northamptonshire. The frame numbers begin with the year they were built, for example 1979 begins 79. The frames were finished in bright nickle, just like the Rickman Metisse frames were.”

“Nick Holt rode the prototype which had the rear mudguard loop made from a pair of bicycle front fork legs and it used a standard TL tank and aluminium side panels. The side stand was fitted to the offside, whereas later bikes had it fitted on the nearside.”

The prototype Jerred Honda ridden by Nick Holt in 1978. The standard TL Honda fuel tank and aluminium side panels can be seen here clearly. XL front forks with a forward wheel spindle was used. The name ‘Mills’ is also on the fuel tank. The exhaust was a one-off special item. Holt rode this machine in the 1978 SSDT. Photo: Peter Jerred Archive.

“The exhaust was also very different as it only had the front box with a short tail pipe. The kick start was reworked, which allows the bike to be started without lifting the footrest. I used to offer that modification on the basis that the customer sent me his old kick start that I would modify for the next customer. It was a good little mod.”

Angular Fuel Tank:

“The fuel tank was folded aluminium, in a similar style to a CCM tank which was another Mike Mills project. Fibre glass was used for the air filter and the side-panel and seat unit.”

The ‘Jerred Honda’ of Colin Moyce from Rye at the 1979 SSDT – Photo: Peter Jerred Archive.

“At the time, nothing was written down like professional race teams except the drawings for the frame. As mentioned, the first remit was that standard parts from the TL125 Honda should fit perfectly. Obviously, the tank and air filter and exhaust were special and supplied as part of the kit.”

The alloy fuel tank and Fibre glass components for the Jerred Honda – Photo: Peter Jerred Archive.

Suspension:

“Forks were standard straight exchange including yokes. Rear suspension, now that where the biggest and most significant change was made, by the standards at the time, the late 1960s and early 1970s. As I said previously it was massively long and unbelievably soft, controlled by the blue Girling Gas shocks with the twin spring set up. Many people did not understand that the combination of a long soft spring and the inclusion of the short square section orange spring actually further reduced the rate of the long soft spring.”

Nick Holt (200 Jerred Honda) takes a steadying dab in the 1978 SSDT on ‘Garbh Bheinn’ – Photo: Alastair MacMillan Studio, Fort William.

“Let us say the soft spring was rated at 60lbs per inch, then for every inch the unit moved both springs would compress, therefore the soft spring had not moved an inch, the 60lb/inch rate is reduced. Still with me? The suspension movement was just a little over ten inches! In general, when a rider was sat/stood on the bicycle, approximately half of that was taken up, around five inches, so plenty remaining to absorb impact and the same amount to drop in a hole and still retain grip. The hubs were standard TL125 Honda but on the “works” versions the fins were turned off; rims were re- anodised gold.”

Front End:

“Back to the front forks, although standard forks were okay. We tried several options, Bultaco/Betor, Marzocchi, Honda XL, the ones with the leading axle and the XL forks ran without springs but with air. Mudguards were Bultaco/Gonelli standard on rear, but the front version turned round with the flap trimmed off, which is very popular nowadays.”

Engines:

“There were three variations. 220cc in the bored and stroked version and 175cc with just the over-size bore however that came in the Over Head Cam TL engine and also in the push-rod version based on the CG 125 motor with trials gears added. In a funny sort of way, I liked the CG based engine, it was unusual, quiet and a little lighter. Going back to the 220cc engines, there was a lot of work to produce one. A spacer was required to lift the barrel 6mm, the cam chain had to be two links longer, extra weight was added internally to the crankshaft which also needed the piston to have a little of the skirt removed for clearance.”

“The crank pin had to be moved to account for the barrel being lifted 6mm. We over-bored the flywheels, plugged the hole and bored the new position for the crank pin 6mm offset.”

“There was also additional weight added to the external ignition flywheel. To do this there was a skim taken the external diameter and a stepped sleeve pressed on. To allow for the extra width of the ignition flywheel the near side outer case was spaced out 15mm.”

Lubrication:

“As far as lubrication was concerned, Jim Kelly had a connection with ELF lubricants, hence the large sticker on the tank of his bike. All the others ran on a standard 10/40 oil. They never used a drop between oil changes.”

Carburation:

“Fuel continued to be delivered via the standard TL carburettor but attached to the cylinder head by a purposed made manifold. From memory, surprisingly little was changed in the jetting department.”

Exhaust:

“As far as the exhaust was concerned, the front pipe was retained but married to a large fabricated open chamber and one to a pipe with a quite simple muffler on the end exiting just behind the top of the offside rear unit. The exhaust was relatively quiet, and Mike Mills explained it like this. If you had a motorcycle exhaust pipe going in the front door of the Albert Hall and a pipe coming out of the rear door, there would be little sound to be heard. I know it’s more complicated, but the principle has some logic.”

“Although we made twenty-five Jerred Honda kits, records of who they were sold to are unfortunately long gone! I have two, one of which I have begun to restore, frame number 15 and I hope that perhaps Sammy Miller could find a space at Bashley Manor for it. The complete frame weights in at 14lbs (6.36 kg).”

“Nick Fossey was exceptionally good on one, Nick Holt enjoyed his time on one, Jim Kelly and Mike Butcher also had one. Finally, I think, the bicycle was ridden briefly by both a Honda and a Yamaha test rider at an SSDT and within six months, if my memory serves me correctly, they both had long travel soft suspension.”

“For the 1979 Scottish Six Days, Nick Holt’s bike had Marzocchi forks, Nick Fossey had Bultaco on his. I also used XL125 on one of them and they didn’t use springs, the fork caps were linked together with a valve on one and were pumped up from that valve. Air gives a progressive rate and it worked quite well. The issue for the rider of course is that what is going on in the head, often overrides what is going on with the bike!

M. Miyashita samples the Jerred Honda of Nick Holt at the Scottish Six Days Trial at Fort William in 1979 – Photo: Peter Jerred Archive.

“I’d like to think that in its own way the bicycle was a little special for its time which must be credited to Mike Mills who was just a talented motorcycle designer/engineer.”

Nick Fossey pilots his Jerred Honda, entered as a ‘Mills honda 200’ in the 1979 Scottish Six Days. The Bultaco front forks are clearly distinguishable in this photo – Peter Jerred Archive.

The Jerred Hondas in the SSDT:

The Jerred Honda enterprise at the 1979 Scottish Six Days. Left to right: Nick Fossey; Jim Kelly and Peter Jerred. Number 59 was Nick Holt’s machine, 95 was Nick Fossey and 90 was Jim Kelly. Not in photo is Nick Holt – Photo: Peter Jerred Archive.

History records that all three of the Jerred Honda team riders competing in the 1979 Scottish Six Days, finished the event. Nick Fossey who was entered on a ‘Mills Honda 200’ riding number 95, was 87th losing 387 marks for the week. Nick Holt (Honda 200) riding number 59 came home in 130th position losing 478 marks.

Watched by a full gallery of spectators, Jim Kelly (Honda 190) on ‘Altnafeadh’ in the 1979 Scottish Six Days – Photo: Iain Lawrie

Third man in the Jerred team was Jim Kelly (Honda 190) whose riding number was 90 and came home in 164th position on 547 marks.

SSDT 1980, Nick Holt on the Jerred Honda 200 on ‘Calliach’ the machine is sporting Marzocchi front forks – Photo: Iain Lawrie

The following year, 1980, Nick Holt was entered under number 18 and finished in 123rd position on 464 marks.

Peter Jerred still has fun with off-road motorcycles. Photo copyright: Anthony Hylton

Peter Jerred: “Mike Mills was not only my brother in law, but also a great friend and talented design engineer who is sorely missed to this day. He really was the man behind this venture and I will always be truly thankful for his help. Mike had an affinity to the sport of motorcycling which we all love.”

Peter Jerred is still involved with motorcycle sport, having become immersed in classic scrambles in recent years, campaigning specially tuned and modified CZs. He also makes gear shift kits for the Czechoslovakian machines.

Trials Guru’s John Moffat got to know Peter Jerred when he purchased a jack-up stand from him in the early 1990s.

Moffat: “I bought one of Peter’s jack-up stands that he was selling at the Scottish Six Days one year. It was a very sturdy and well built item and was finished in red powder coating with a good quality bottle jack and securing bar. The jack has been in my workshop since then and has been used countless times when working on my motorcycles. I always ask Peter when I see him at scrambles if the warranty is still in date and we have a laugh about it. Peter is a great character, very knowledgeable and an enthusiast. He is always willing to help when required.

Colin Moyce’s privately entered Jerred Honda at the SSDT in 1979 – Photo: Peter Jerred Archive.

Following the publishing of this article, we discovered that the Jerred Honda bearing the number 137 was the machine owned by Colin Moyce from Rye, East Sussex.

Colin Moyce:Honda number 137 was my bike, you could buy the kit from Peter and build the bike yourself. I loved that little Honda and never went back to a two-stroke trials bike after owning the Honda. The rear suspension was amazing, it found grip like no other bike at the time. This was based on the trials in South East centre, where our conditions consisted of mud, more mud and total mud. The little Honda was in a world of its own, my club mates were just in shock on how much grip it achieved. Currently I’m riding a Triumph Cub or BSA B40 in pre65 events.

I rode the Honda in the 1979 Scottish Six Days, I then won the Scottish raffle for a free entry the following year, Jim McColm was SSDT secretary at the time, unfortunately I did not manage to claim the free ride as I was working in the Middle East for five years. I understand the bike is in Scotland now, I’m trying to get a contact number as would love to have it back. I wonder if Brian Fowlers’ Rapid Araldite is still covering the hole in the casing after hitting a rock on the Tuesday? That Araldite rescued me from retiring.”

It all started with a Renault 4 – The story of the ‘Jerred Hondas’ article is the copyright of Trials Guru and Peter Jerred.

Tribute to Mike Mills

Words: John Dickinson

From Kendal, John Dickinson, former editor of Trials & Motocross News on his Suzuki at the 1980 Aberfeldy Two-Day Trial. Photo: Jimmy Young, Armadale.

John Dickinson remembers time spent with Mick Mills, a man so far ahead in his field, then listens to tales of old at the Crooklands Hotel.

Sad news greeted me, and many other enthusiasts when they learnt the news I imagine, the other day as I arrived at work between Christmas and the New Year when I was told of the death of Mick Mills. Now, to our younger readers, this might not mean anything at all, but whether you have heard of Mick Mills or not, if you ride a modern off-road bike you unknowingly owe a lot to the man.

Mick was a remarkable engineer, whose forte was suspension. Now I am not going to rashly claim that he actually invented’ the modern linkage type of rear suspension, or Upside Down Forks, because as we all know there is nothing new under the sun, but he most definitely led the way in their development and thus to their almost universal adaptation.

Mick was the man behind the Swindon Swing-link, which was the first linkage type rear suspension system most of us had seen or heard of. It was so far ahead of its time in the days of twin-shock and linkless single shock systems that it enjoyed a tremendous run of success in British motocross with riders Paul Hunt and Gary Dunn. T+MX ran out of headlines as the duo relentlessly clocked-up success after success on the National circuit. The major MX manufacturers then ran riot with the idea and suddenly everyone was running a single-shock link system. Kawasaki ‘Uni-Trak’, Suzuki ‘Full-Floater’, Honda ‘Pro-Link’, all different but all basically a four-bar’ system as Mick described it to me one day.

I was fortunate to be invited down to Armstrong Motorcycles, formerly CCM, in the early 1980s by Alan Clews to meet and talk to both his talented designers who just happened to be Mick Mills and Mike Eatough and who were absolutely chalk and cheese in every aspect as I quickly learnt.

I met Mills first and in his drawing office found him to be a quiet, friendly, softly-spoken man who patiently talked myself and fellow T+MX staffman at the time, Mike Sweeney, through the theory of the four-bar rear suspension system, aided by the beautiful technical drawings on his draughtsman’s board, of his latest system due to be fitted to the next generation Armstrong. All the time, Mike Eatough was standing impatiently in the doorway, waiting for Mills to finish his explanations. As we thanked Mick and made our exit, Eatough grabbed us and whisked us off to his workshop saying something along the lines of, All that theory is all very well but THIS is how you really do it, in the workshop. Mike proceeded to show us how he converted his own ideas in hard metal with saws, tools and welders. Two totally different approaches yet each worked for the individual.

Mick Mills then went on to work for Ohlins, one of the most respected of suspension companies, becoming their chief designer where he did pioneering work with USD forks, working with the factory Yamaha MotoGP team and their famous rider, Kenny Roberts.

I occasionally met Mick down the years and he was unbelievably modest regarding his life’s work but was always willing to sit and chat with an interested amateur engineer such as myself and carefully explain why he did this or why such and such works and something else doesn’t. I always enjoyed our encounters and am sure I gained far more from them than Mick did but he was always happy to talk. The USD forks idea came from us looking for the stiffest possible triple-clamp structure… he told me one day when I encountered him in a Gloucestershire pub following one of Mark Kemp’s BVM trials test days.

I even once built a trials bike that Mick had designed, the Jerred Honda. Again, this was the early 1980s and again Mick was years ahead of his time, having come up with a long-travel twin-shock chassis for the TL 125 Honda engine. Out of the blue he rang me up just a couple of years ago and joked: “If you fancy building another I’ve just found my original drawings for the Jerred so we can knock one up if you like!”

I enjoyed an afternoon over the holiday period which was basically a get-together of old gits’ from the northern centre who gathered at the Crooklands Hotel, near Kendal, for a pint of Black Sheep, a plate of chips and a listen to well-known northern character Tony Bingley. ‘Bing’, who has enjoyed an enviably varied life in motorcycle sport, kept us amused for several hours, which just flew by. It wasn’t just entertaining, I learned a few things as well and eventually came away determined as Tony urged us to attend as many similar get-togethers and reunions as possible. There are a lot of characters out there with a tale to tell, so get them to tell it and make sure you listen.

‘Tribute to Mike Mills’ is the copyright of John Dickinson, Kendal.

Acknowlegement of source:

Article first appeared in TMX January 2010, R.I.M. Publishing Ltd.

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The Missing Link

– Honda RTL305 Testimony

Words: Trials Guru & Mervyn Smith

Photos: Mervyn Smith; Barry Robinson (by permission of his estate); Andrew Moorhouse/Studio Six Creative; Morio, Japan; Jean Caillou; Rainer Heise; Iain Lawrie.

One of our avid Trials Guru readers is Mervyn Smith from Shropshire who has Honda connections, having worked for Honda UK. He unearthed an old photo of himself holding a very interesting and special motorcycle, here is the story of that photograph and the motorcycle.

Mervyn Smith discovered this historic Honda RTL305 resting against a wall – Photo: Mervyn Smith Archive.

Mervyn Smith: “The photo supplied is a young and serious looking me in 1984. I was working for Honda UK Motorcycles and had found this bike dumped unceremoniously against a dark wall in the soon to be closed race team workshop at Power Road, Chiswick. It was in a very sorry state. With the former Off-Road Coordinator, Trevor Kemp, having left the company, l was possibly the only person in Honda UK who actually knew what it was, being the RTL305, long stroke machine. One of the bikes that Rob Shepherd used to win the 1977 British Trials Championship and a forerunner of later models which were to give Honda their first World Trials title in 1982 under the control of Belgian, Eddy Lejeune. With regard to trials history therefore it was a very important bike, but this motorcycle, I was told, was going to be scrapped, crushed in fact, which is how many of the ex-works bikes ended up as manufacturers, like Honda, did not want any racing technology to fall into the hands of their competitors.”

Rob Shepherd on one of his many factory Hondas in the Scott Trial – Photo: Andrew Moorhouse/Studio Six Creative.

“So, explaining the significance of the machine to the then General Manager (Motorcycles) Bob McMillan, I asked if l could rescue it for restoration and he agreed. I trailered the bike up to John Taylor Motorcycles, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, where John and his brother Jim, good friends, both keen trials riders and both sadly no longer with us, did most of the restoration work. It looked superb when finished and I was going to compete on it at least once, but was advised against it as apparently the magnesium cases on the bike were not robust having become very thin.”    

Rob Shepherd when he rode for Honda Racing Corporation on the factory short-stroke RTL360 tackles a steep hill at full noise in 1978 – Photo copyright: Barry Robinson (with permission by his estate)

Smith continued: “Along with Graham Noyce’s 1979 Motocross World Championship winning CR500, the new race team manager, Neil Tuxworth, shipped the RTL305 back to Japan to be added to the Honda Collection at the Motegi museum and, over time, all knowledge of it just disappeared. Years later out of curiosity I was frustrated that my enquiries about it led to a series of dead-ends and wondered if, after all, it had been destroyed. The answer proved to be somewhat more interesting.”

Honda factory rider, Nick Jefferies on his RTL in the 1977 SSDT on Blackwater – Photo: Iain Lawrie.

“I enlisted the help of recently retired Koji Kawanami the former Honda USA boss, now residing back in Japan, who very kindly said he would make further inquiries for me. For many months I heard nothing and was resigned to the real possibility that the bike was lost. Then suddenly out of the blue a photograph was sent to me by Koji San of a trials bike which had been located in the Motegi Collection, but they, having no idea exactly what it was, had mothballed it. I recognised it immediately of course – the missing RTL305 had been found.”

Jean Caillou, Rob Shepherd, Olivier Barjon, Yrjo Vesterinen and Nick Jefferies soak up the atmosphere at the 2017 ‘Honda Edition’ of the Highland Classic Two-Day Trial in Scotland.

“It seems there had been a fire at Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) and a lot of information had been destroyed, including record of this particular bike. The staff at Motegi, although knowing it was certainly some sort of Honda works trials bike, had no idea exactly what it was or indeed who had ridden it and were therefore unable to display it.”

“With the help of my good friend Jean Caillou, who is the expert in all things regarding the history of Honda trials, we were able to inform them of the exact provenance of the machine.”

Rob Shepherd with ex-factory Hondas at the Highland Classic Two-Day Trial in 2017 – The Honda Edition – Photo: Jean Caillou

Smith: “I am so pleased I made the effort to follow this up for two reasons. Firstly, an important bit of Honda off road history has been preserved and, secondly, as it is now on display in the museum from time to time, it is a fitting tribute to a brilliant trials rider, Rob Shepherd, and to the Taylor brothers who did so much work to restore it.”  

Rob Shepherd (GB, Honda RTL300 Long-stroke) at the Belgian World Round in 1977 – Photo: Rainer Heise Archive.

“My one regret in all this? I should have taken the risk and ridden it in at least one trial before it was shipped. Such is life.”

Mervyn Smith, Bridgnorth, Shropshire.

Mervyn Smith, former Honda UK Area Sales Manager and trials rider is a Trials Guru VIP.

‘The Missing Link – Honda RTL305 Testimony’ is copyright of Trials Guru & Mervyn Smith.

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References:

Honda Collection Hall: Mobility Resort, Motegi, 120-1 Hiyama, Motegi, Haga District, Tochigi 321-3533, Japan.

Honda Collection Hall, Motegi – Photo: Morio, Japan

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HXF641 – Viney’s AJS

Words: Trials Guru

Photos: David Lewis; Gavin Shaw; Jonathan Henderson; Speedtracktales (ISDT website); Bonhams Cars; (Main photo: Gavin Shaw)

With assistance from: Jonathan Henderson

Hugh Viney’s AJS with some details painted on the front plate of HXF641 as it is to this day – Photo: David Lewis, London

On the tenth of October 1946, Associated Motor Cycles registered a 348cc AJS 16MC rigid framed motorcycle with the London County Council Motor registrations department, the index number issued being HXF641. That in itself may seem innocuous enough, but the machine was to gain fame as one of a handful of machines issued to one ‘B.H.M. Viney’ for the 1947 season.

The first registered owner/keeper was noted as Associated Motor Cycles Ltd, Plumstead SE18 and the signature on the original registration booklet was none other than director, C.R. ‘Charlie’ Collier, a founding father of the Matchless Motorcycle. We have discovered that London CC issued HXF644 to a factory 350 Matchless G3LC at the same time, this machine would be issued in 1947 to Yorkshireman, Artie Ratcliffe who won the British Experts trial on it. Later the same Matchless was issued to Ted Usher for the 1948 Scottish Six Days Trial.

HXF641 Registration book from 1946, showing Associated Motor Cycles Ltd as the first owners of the AJS 16MC – Photo: Jonathan Henderson.

The machine was of course pressed into service as a factory trials bike and would be ridden by its famous rider to many successes over the years. In fact, the machine remained in the ownership of AMC until 19th April 1950 when Rodney Gordon Bainbridge of Shrewsbury became the proud new owner. The machine was then in private owners’ hands until the present day.

Born near Dorking in Surrey in 1914, Hugh Viney joined the competition staff in the spring of 1947, having been a sergeant instructor in the British Army, Royal Corps of Signals, through WW2 and was a motorcycle instructor for the regiment having trained many dispatch riders during his period of service to King and country. Prior to joining AMC, he was employed as a local government surveyor. Viney was a particularly serious-minded character and was described by many journalists of the era, as being of ‘dour’ demeanour. His first trial was at the age of twenty-two in 1936 in the Beggars Roost on a side valve Ariel, winning the event. Viney came fifth in the 1946 British Experts on a borrowed works AJS, the first Experts after the war ended. He certainly was a serious trials rider, having won the Scottish Six Days Trial on his first attempt, a feat he would repeat on no less than three further occasions, which included his famous ‘hat-trick’ of three successive wins 1947-1949.

The victorious GB Trophy team at the 1954 ISDT in Wales. Left to Right: B.H.M. ‘Hugh’ Viney (AJS); S.B. ‘Bob’ Manns (Matchless); P.H. ‘Jim’ Alves (Triumph); J.V. ‘Johnny’ Brittain (Royal Enfield) & Jack Stocker (Royal Enfield) – Photo: Speedtracktales website.

Viney also represented his country at the International Six Days and was the captain of the victorious Great Britain World Trophy team in 1954 in Wales, riding an AJS twin, registered as AJS6. He was the Competitions manager for the factory, so access to works prepared machinery was never an issue. His factory supplied AJS machines were known to have many alloy components fitted, much of which enamelled black to disguise the lightweight components. The factory also had components made in ‘Elektron’ a magnesium alloy which had a dull grey appearance but again very light weight. ‘Elektron’ was the registered trademark of Magnesium Elektron Ltd. The alloy was originally developed in pre-war Germany and the racing departments of both Auto Union and Mercedes would have used this metal in their Grand Prix cars.

Detail of the powerplant of HXF641 shows the ‘Elektron’ casings in their usual dull grey finish. Production machines were cast in aluminium alloy and had a highly polished finish. Photo: Bonhams Cars.

AMC used Elektron for their racing machines and the application to the factory scrambles and trials machines was entirely possible.

Hugh Viney’s factory AJS HXF641 on which he won three successive SSDTs post-war – Photo: David Lewis, London

HXF641 as stated, was to be campaigned by Hugh Viney over a three-year period in various states of development and tune. One such modification was the short rear mudguard that Viney deployed, this was copied by private owners believing that there must be an advantage by lobbing off a chunk of the mudguard. However, there was a very sound explanation for Viney’s abbreviated mudguard, it was so that he could load the machine into his Croydon built Trojan van, and get the rear doors closed, as the bike was too long if fitted with the standard-length guard!

The trials scene started slowly to resume in 1946, following the Second World conflict, but it was a very controlled resumption, given that fuel and lubricants were in short supply and factories had been on a war footing for the previous eight years. Things were far from easy in fact it was a period of austerity. When the Scottish Six Days resumed a year later in 1947, the trial was centred at Fort William to conserve rationed fuel supplies, an event Viney would dominate for three further years.

Viney was to develop his trials riding style on an army issue side-valve BSA in Yorkshire during the war. This enabled him to perfect his very slow riding style, using the ignition lever to retard and advance the ignition, almost like a second throttle. This enabled him to find grip in muddy conditions where other lesser riders faltered. Viney was a quiet thinker, and it paid dividends. It is said that Viney was a novice trials rider when he joined the army, but was an expert when he was demobbed.

The press initially labelled Hugh Viney as the ‘Doctor of Plonk, Professor of balance’ mirroring his ability to manoeuvre his mount slowly over obstacles with just a whiff of throttle. In later years Viney was referred to in the motorcycle press as ‘The Maestro’ a term used for the very late model Matchless G3C. This ability to plonk a machine, necessitated a well set-up engine with manual advance/retard ignition sparked by Lucas magneto, and no air filter fitted to the AMAL carburettor. Viney felt that an air filter would clog up mid trial, ruining the optimum fuel/air ratio, so he always shielded the carb by the deft use of a cut up car inner tube to fit down the frame and allowing water to escape the bell-mouth and keep mud and dust away.

Viney’s factory AJS HXF641 in an AJS/AMC publicity advert in 1949, clearly shows the tommy bar front spindle, tucked in exhaust system and air bottle with tool box for the SSDT. An aluminium alloy fuel tank is also fitted. The front brake is mounted on the offside, this was regarded as Viney’s preference for a ‘servo’ effect. The front brake is now anchored on the nearside. Photo: Associated Motor Cycles.

Viney’s bikes always bristled with modifications, but some were not obvious. The most noticeable to the keen eye was the fuel tank, the production machines were made of steel, whereas Viney had his made from aluminium alloy, but the detail was such that when painted, it wasn’t obvious. The factory of course wanted potential customers believe that the model they could buy was what Viney and his teammates were already winning upon.

All engine plates were fabricated from alloy plate in the competition department, initially painted black to disguise these components.

Neat rubber sheet protects the carburettor as Viney preferred no air filter on his factory AJS. – Photo: Bonhams Cars.

What AMC did was they registered standard machines that were taken from the production line, not road tested as was the norm, the machine being booked out in the factory records as ‘For Competition Department use’ and then stripped down by the comp department staff and the lightweight components so fitted before testing and issue to the chosen factory supported riders. This is how HXF641 would have begun its life as a works trials machine.

Initially, HXF641 would sport its front registration number mounted on the front mudguard as most machines were prepared in this manner. However, it was not an ideal position should a rider dismount unexpectedly over the handlebars. Later, the number plate was fitted across the front forks, fitted by extended pinch bolts of the lower yoke.

What is not generally known was the way that Viney set up the front brake, which is of course the primary brake on a motorcycle. He actually reversed the brake from standard build, so that the brake plate was on the offside and not the nearside, thus giving a ‘servo effect’. The machine as it is now has the standard build set up with brake plate on the kerbside. Viney also preferred the larger 6.5 inch front brake and not the later and much lighter 5.5 inch variety.

Kerb or nearside of HXF641 shows the 6.5 inch front brake plate mounted in the standard production position with the 1948 two-point type brake anchor on the fork slider. The higher seating position, favoured by Hugh Viney can also be clearly seen. – Photo: Bonhams Cars.

At first Viney favoured the BTH ‘TT’ type magneto before the advent of the Lucas ‘Wader’ magneto which was to become standard fitment on the AJS and Matchless trial and scrambles machines. A BTH magneto is fitted to the machine in the present day.

At this time, AMC only produced fifty of AJS and a similar number of their Matchless 350 trials models and that was the quota for the year. This was not a lot, but enough to allocate machines to their official dealers of the day.

The 1947 Scottish Six Days was at that time the equivalent of a racer winning the TT on the Isle of Man. Viney was keen to take the win and he did so in amazing style. He dropped a mere six marks and posted a double clean of the now famous ‘Devil’s Staircase’ on the Moidart peninsula, above Loch Ailort. He also did so at his first attempt.

One interesting modification of HXF641 was the position of the footrests, they are about two inches further to the rear than the standard model 16MC, this allowed Viney a much better standing position for him being six foot in height. Remember, Viney did not have this victory easily, his close rivals were Bill Nicholson of BSA who had ridden pre-war and others such as Fred Rist (also BSA mounted) and Bob Ray (Ariel). Notable absentees in the 1947 SSDT were Allan Jefferies (1939 winner) and George Rowley who by now had retired from top line riding, Jefferies concentrating on his motorcycle business in Shipley.

Trial at this time were very carefully controlled and were classed as ‘Trade Supported’; thus, enabling them to be run with adequate fuel supplies allocated through the petrol companies, such as Esso and Shell-Mex.

In 1948, Viney would be the man to beat in trials, he won the coveted British Experts title another opportunity for the publicity lads at AMC to promote the brand.

An AJS publicity department press advert of the period showing artwork depiction of Hugh Viney on HXF641 winning the Scottish Six Days Trial.

HXF641 being an immediate post-war machine did not benefit from an aluminium alloy cylinder barrel, but an iron component. The cylinder head would be swapped for an alloy component, thus reducing some weight up top.

Let us not forget that factory bikes were under the control of the factory, a test bed for new ideas when appropriate, but there was also the underpinning that the machines should look just like the production models available for sale to the trials buying public. At this time of course trials models did not differ much from their road going counterparts, save for high-level exhausts, wider handlebars and competition tyres. The competition models also came with lights so that owners could use them during the week for daily transport.

So, what did this machine actually win? History records that in 1949, the final season HXF641 was used, it won the Scottish Six Days; John Douglas national; The Colmore Cup national; The Travers Trophy national and the Allan Jefferies trials. Not a bad tally for a season’s work considering the competition it and its rider was up against.

It was at this stage of the development of the AJS bespoke trials machine that Viney experimented with steering head angles. It would be noticeable if the steering head was altered from standard, but modifying fork yokes was perhaps a better option as the factory had a constant supply of them and they could be cut and shut quite easily. This is what Viney experimented with at one stage, and the components looked standard when mounted on a machine. The top yoke was cast in aluminium, but that also was altered to suit modified steel bottom yokes. Steepening the fork angle gave the works bikes quicker steering, most favourable to maintain balance and negotiate tight nadgery sections. It was only later that AMC competition shop technicians altered the angle of the front frame head angle on the works bikes. This was done from around 1954 by heating up the steering head cherry red with a torch and pulling the down tube toward the engine. This necessitated new engine plates and primary chain cases as it pushed the engine closer to the gearbox. The primary chain case would lose around an inch in the middle and the tank would be repositioned accordingly to avoid having to deploy large, scalloped dents in the front of the tank, which would give the game away.

Having said that, it is evident by inspecting HXF641 closely today, that Viney did alter the head angle of the machine and scallop dents were beaten into the steel petrol tank to allow a tighter turning circle for full lock turns.

On examining HXF641, the exhaust is well tucked in to allow a straight kickstart to be used on the Burman CP gearbox.

Another Viney set up, was to mount the handlebar well forward to the point where the tip of the handlebars lined up with the top fork nuts. This reduced the ‘tiller effect’ of the bars being mounted behind the steering stem.

Other equipment featured a Smiths ‘D-shaped’ speedometer head in place of the production circular instrument, in an effort to save weight and to mount it low down and out of harms way while maintaining legality and a shorter and lighter speedo cable set up. A Smiths D-shaped speedometer now resides on the top yoke of HXF641 today.

The small Smiths D-shaped speedometer now resides on the top fork yoke, note the twin throttle cables for a speedy repair and the neat tucked away exhaust pipe. Photo: Bonhams Cars.

The wheels maintained their Dunlop chromed steel rims of front, 21 inch and rear, 19 inch as racing alloy rims were not available until the late 1950s.

The kickstart lever was quite novel, it can be seen from photographs of the period and now that the pedal looks to be put on the wrong way, facing rearward. However, that is because it folds 270 degrees, whereas standard pedals swing round only 90 degrees. This ensured that the pedal was always kept well out of harm’s way when the bike was running.

For events like the SSDT, Viney used his ISDT experience when it came to preparing HXF641 for the world’s biggest trial event. Extensive use of quickly detachable components was the order of the day and Viney’s machine preparation was second to none. Tommy bar ended wheel spindles and quick release speedo cabling plus dualling of control cables was utilised throughout. The use of an air bottle with an airline that could reach both wheels was often deployed to inflate tyres after replacing an inner tube during the event.

The issue with factory machines is their provenanace. When frames get broken in competition, the factory simply replaces the frame, because it can. They take a fresh frame and stamp it with the required number to match the log book. If an engine wears out or lets go, they fit a new one, again with suitable numbers stamped on the replacement crankcase halves. So, a factory bike can become a veritable ‘trigger’s broom’, but does that really matter? It is still a recognised factory registration number adorning a machine of that manufacture. Machines were sold off after they reached the end of their usefulness and new models were set up ready for the factory supported riders to compete upon.

We are fortunate that quite a few old ex-works trials bikes survive the ‘crusher’, whereas Honda Motor Company and their subsidiary, HRC have had a policy of crushing their factory machinery. after use. A number of ex-AMC mounts are still out there, including one of the world’s most famous, the 350 AJS of Gordon Jackson, 187BLF, now a resident in Sammy Miller’s wonderful museum at New Milton, Hampshire.

HXF641 is a handsome machine now with a steel fuel tank, whereas at one time an aluminum alloy component was used by Viney. Photo: Bonhams Cars.

It is believed that HXF641 was not sold on through the AMC sales office, but out the ‘back door’ of Plumstead by Viney himself. This probably explains why the bike retained so many of its factory special components as the works usually removed the exotica for the prevention of failure in private hands. The Elektron items being a prime example due to their fragility after long term exposure to the elements in competition use.

After the disposal of HXF641, Hugh Viney was issued with KYM835 for the 1951 trials season. Viney sadly passed away in July 1991 aged 77 years.

KYM835 seen here in the hands of Hugh Viney featured in an AJS publicity advertisement was the immediate replacement for HXF641 by the factory.

Family connections:

One interesting fact is that HXF641 was owned at one point by Hugh’s son, Michael Hugh Viney and retained by him for but two years before selling on the motorcycle. Mike Viney had purchased HXF641 from a private owner in 1990 with the intention of retaining something tangeable from his father’s achievements in motorcycle sport. However it was assumed that Mike sold the machine on in 1992, due to some financial pressures. A letter dated 2nd May 2000 to the then owner, indicated that Mike Viney wanted to repurchase HXF641 being some eight years after having sold the machine, but the offer wasn’t accepted by the then owner, a Mr. Bob Gardiner of West Sussex. It is also believed that Hugh Viney wasn’t really interested in the machine and wouldn’t even sit on it when in his son’s ownership. Hugh Viney had effectively turned his back on the sport once he left AMC’s employment, having lost interest completely.

HXF641 today:

HXF641 when advertised for sale by Bonhams in April 2019 – Photo: Bonhams.

HXF641 is a multiple SSDT and national trial winning machine which is still working and still being ridden from time to time by its current custodian, Jonathan Henderson in Surrey, particularly in the TALMAG trial. Hopefully this historic motorcycle will be doing so for many years to come as it is part of trials history. Jonathan purchased the machine at auction in April 2019 at Bonham’s Spring Stafford Sale under Lot 310. Advertised for sale as a 1946 motorcycle, in reality AMC always stamped the engines with the model/year from the October onwards for the following year, so this machine although manufactured in early October 1946 would have been stamped and indexed as a 1947 model. HXF641’s engine number stamped on the nearside crankcase begins ’47/16MC’.

Nearside view of HXF641 – Photo: Jonathan Henderson

Riding HXF641:

Back in the day, the motorcycle press were given the opportunity of running the ruler over this historic machine. However, Viney was always very guarded when it came to discussing his own, and the machinery issued to factory supported riders. One such journalist was Harry Louis, editor of the Motor Cycle who wrote: “… an engine which pulled reliably and powerful at two-hundred revs per minute”. [2] This was due to the way the engine was built in the comp department and fine tuned by Viney himself. It is believed that whilst the engine was a 347cc, internally it sported the heavier flywheels from the 498cc model, thus giving it more momentum, and thus the ability to resist stalling at low revs.

In more recent times, the machine was the subject of an article penned by Roy Pointing for ‘The Classic Motor Cycle’ in their December 2001 edition.

John Moffat of Trials Guru was given the opportunity of having a ride on HXF641 at the annual Highland Classic Two-Day Trial on Alvie Estate, near Aviemore in June 2023.

Moffat: “I was overjoyed, having invited Jonathan Henderson to bring the Viney AJS to Scotland and have it on display at the trial headquarters during the weekend, he then invited me to have a short ride on the historic machine. I can assure you, I didn’t hesitate. The bike had been sitting unused for a while, but there was enough fuel in the steel petrol tank to get her fired up. I only rode HXF641 a relatively short distance along one of the estate roads, thus being on private ground. I wasn’t tempted to try some easy sections near the start for fear of coming adrift and damaging such a historic motorcycle. The bike had exceptional low end power and handled positively. These old AMC machines, even on lower trials gearing, still give the impression that they are moving too quickly in low gears for a successful trials motorcycle, but that is the way they were. I must say I was impressed with the bike, you had to remember it was devoid of rear suspension and was a 77 year old! That said, it was a great experience knowing that one of the all time legends of trials had used this very machine in an assortment of specifications back in the 1940s to win the greatest trial of them all, the Scottish Six Days and would have done so, quite close to where the bike I was riding that day. The time came to hand the motorcycle back to its rightful owner, but not before I had retarded the ignition and performed a couple of very tight turns at almost zero revs. Then I let the bike tick over very slowly, much to the amazement of the assembled spectator gallery that were wondering how anyone could win a trial on such a machine. The sound of a well set-up AJS or Matchless ticking over so slowly on full retard is just music to an enthusiasts’ ears. Only by being present can one understand how slowly these machines could idle without stalling. I then pulled on the valve lifter and silenced the engine. It was an experience that I will cherish for a long time.

Finally, we share the words of journalist, Peter Fraser when he wrote in Motor Cycle of Viney’s passing in 1991. [1]

B.H.M. ‘Hugh’ Viney in 1954

“Viney Dies – Hugh Viney, the world’s top trials rider of the 1940s and 1950s has died at the age of 77. Always associated in the public’s mind with the AJS marque manufactured in London by Associated Motor Cycles, he left his job as AMC’s service and competition manager in October 1964 to sell BMWs. A dedicated perfectionist who prepared his machinery as he picked a line no-one else had spotted through a section. Hugh Viney was a man of few words. Never ‘one of the lads’ he would eat alone in a hotel filled with fellow competitors, always maintaining a distance. His coolness and attention to detail made him a valued and successful member of British Trophy teams in the International Six Days Trial. But it was in Scotland that the Viney legend really took root. His prowess in the Six Days Trial meant That more than a decade after his retirement, the locals in Fort William compared recent efforts with the style of their hero.”

Technical Data:

Engine Type: Over Head Valve, Single Cylinder, Four-stroke

Engine Capacity: 348cc

Ignition: BTH ‘TT’ type magneto

Gearbox: Burman CP – 4 speed

Tyres: 2.75 X 21 Front; 4.00 X 19 Rear

Brakes: 6.5 inch front and rear

Wheelbase: 53 inches

Price new: (Standard Machine) £146

HXF641 – Viney’s AJS‘ article is the copyright of Trials Guru.

Bibliography:

References, Information Sources and Quotes:

The Motor Cycle – 1991 [1]

The Motor Cycle – 1948 & The Classic Motor Cycle – December 2001 [2]

Recommended reading:

The Classic Motor Cycle – December 2001 – Page 86 – 89 – ‘The Maestro’s Mount’ By Roy Pointing.

Apart from ‘Fair Dealing’ for the purpose of private study, research, criticism or review as permitted under the Copyright, Design and Patents Act, 1988, no part of this article may be copied, reproduced, stored in any form of retrieval system, electronic or otherwise or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, electrical, mechanical, optical, chemical, photocopying, recording or otherwise without the prior written permission of the author as stated above. This article is not being published for any monetary reward or monetisation, be that online or in print.

The Mysterious STAG

Researched and written by Trials Guru’s John Moffat in 2021, we discover the story of Don Smith’s contract breaking STAG MK1.

Words: John Moffat/Trials Guru

Photos: Mike Watts; Bob May; OffRoad Archive; Don Smith Family Collection

Additional Information on Don Smith: Amanda Lazenby

Don Smith with his creation The STAG MK1 at Edinburgh’s Gorgie Market on 3rd May 1970 – Photo courtesy of Don Smith Family Collection.

As an enthusiastic schoolboy, John Moffat attended the Scottish Six Days Trial 1970 for the first time. There was always a buzz of excitement at the opening ‘weigh-in’ at Edinburgh’s Gorgie Market, with the flurry of activity with riders and mechanics making last minute changes and adjustments to their machines. There was one such machine that was unveiled to the trial’s community on 3rd May, it captivated many people that day.

The Monarch of the Glen is an oil-on-canvas painting of a red deer stag completed in 1851 by the English painter, Sir Edwin Landseer.

The stag in the painting is classed as a ‘royal stag’ due to having twelve points or ‘tines’ to its antlers, to be a ‘monarch stag’ it would have had to sport sixteen points, so, in reality, is flawed.

That did not stop copies being sold and advertising budgets spent on the copyright to use the image on shortbread tins, the world over.

The stag we are going to describe is somewhat different to the famous piece of art revered since the 1800s, one which was never copied nor produced in numbers for sale. In fact, only one such example ever existed, the STAG MK1 – and it still does!

Greeves, Great Britain:

Don Smith (252 Greeves) negotiates ‘Glen Ogle’ on the first day of the Scottish Six Days Trial – Photo: OffRoad Archive.

Donald Roland Smith, or ‘D.R.’ to his many friends, was a development rider who came to the notice of Thundersley based Greeves motorcycles in 1960 and who switched camps in late 1967 to join the Spanish Montesa trials effort to front the development of their new Cota trials mount.

Don Smith had an uneasy relationship with Bert Greeves, and it is safe to say he did not agree with the Greeves strategy to remain faithful to the alloy beam frame design that made the Thundersley products unique.

With Greeves, Smith won the European Trials Championship in 1964 and 1967. Smith won ten consecutive internationals and British national trials, which included the Hoad Trophies, Perce Simon, Cotswold Cup, John Douglas, Mitchell, and Beggar’s Roost.

Don had however tried his best to convince the directors at Greeves to create a new and up-to-date machine; he even offered to do it himself.

To his delight they eventually gave him the go ahead, but they pulled their permissions at the very last minute.

Feeling rejected, that was the last straw for Smith, so he handed in his resignation. After leaving Greeves he bought a production 250cc Bultaco in September 1967, registered as SGH4F and rode it privately in ten events.

He gained seven firsts, one second and a hard-fought third.

Permanyer S.A. :

Don Smith at the final machine examination of the SSDT at Blackford Hill, Edinburgh in 1969 – Photo: Bob May, Edinburgh

The motorcycling press had a ‘field day’ reporting on Smith’s solid results on the model 27 Bultaco Sherpa and when they commented that he was not linked to any factory, this probably spurred on the Montesa management to invite him to join them to assist in the design and development of their new Cota model.

Don decided that he would contact the then British Montesa importer, John Brise at Montala Motors Ltd, based at Crayford in Kent, but he was not just going to give the benefit of his fifteen years of challenging work and experience for free, he wanted a proper contract.

It was a case of no fee, no opinion, no advice.

He had a test ride on the machine and Brise asked for Don’s feedback, but before Smith had even finished his first sentence, Brise had his pen and paper ready for notetaking.

Smith told him that he must be kidding and until they had discussed a contract, he was not speaking another word, so a contract was drawn up and signed by both parties.

The Montesa Cota, designed to challenge the well-established Bultaco Sherpa, was to be a more traditional frame design than the Greeves models that Smith had campaigned for years, but had many modern innovative features such as the one-piece tank/seat unit in glass reinforced plastic, a single downtube tubular cradle frame and novel features such as a chain lubricator built into the swinging arm. The Cota engine had a softer power delivery than its main rival, the Sherpa.

Defection beckons:

Don Smith was to campaign the Montesa Cota for three seasons, starting with his UK registered Cota MK1 ‘UMV10F’ from 1968, securing a third place at the Scottish Six Days and winning the European Trials Championship for them in 1969, but he was concerned that he would eventually become frustrated if his ideas were ignored by the Esplugues, Barcelona factory.

Don Smith was known the world over, evidenced by this North American Montesa advert from 1969. The advert refers to World Champion, whereas the title was actually European Champion.

He had also recognised that the mighty Japanese factories were taking a keen interest in trials as a new sales market. Understanding the politics of the sport and the manufacturers, this caused Smith to think carefully about his future in the game, given that a new dawn in trials was emerging.

Smith’s decision to wriggle free of his Montesa factory contract was ensured by Don building his own machine, the STAG MK1 in late 1969. This would enable him to keep riding and develop his own ideas on his own machine without any factory involvement, he was a free agent. Unfortunately, his retail business Don Smith Motorcycles Ltd in Winchester Road, Highams Park, Chingford, North East London which he founded in 1960, was faltering and his fortunes were understandably at a low ebb.

The STAG MK1 is born:

Photo: Mike Watts

Built as a development machine to evaluate and promote Smith’s ideas on machine design, the STAG MK1 was registered AYN15H, taxed in January 1970 at Greater London licencing office as a ‘STAG’, colour blue, and engine size of 247cc.

The STAG’s wide spaced twin downtube cradle frame, necessary to accommodate the Montesa motor, which had an offset exhaust port, was plated in matt finish nickel for a durable finish and looked resplendent when Smith weighed the machine in for the 1970 Scottish Six Days Trial, which was its first public appearance on the 3rd of May.

The knowledgeable enthusiasts who surrounded Smith’s machine at Edinburgh’s Gorgie Market noted that the engine was in fact a standard Montesa Cota 247cc unit with the large ‘M’ symbol having been machined off the outer clutch and ignition casings.

The Montesa Cota 247 engine of the type used to power Don Smith’s STAG MK1.

The talk of Gorgie Market that day was: “Looks like Don Smith has fallen out with Montesa.”

Full Specification:

But it was not a Montesa they were looking at, far from it. The ever extrovert Smith was keen to show off his handiwork.

Front suspension was taken care of by a set of Robin Humphries manufactured REH forks, yokes, and front hub, with a matching rear hub of conical design. The Ron Goodfellow built ‘Saracen’ of the period also used this same set up, as did the motocross version of Pete Edmondson’s ‘Dalesman’ which used the same front-end arrangement but used a Puch rear hub assembly.

Photo: Mike Watts

Wheel rims were ‘Dunlop’ chrome plated steel components front and rear, shod with Dunlop Trials Universal tyres, 4.00×18 rear and 2.75×21 front, the standard fitment of that time.

Don Smith’s signature on the tank of the STAG MK1 – Photo: Mike Watts

It is believed that the fuel tank was a heavily modified and disguised steel Japanese component, possibly from a Honda, which was re-shaped at the rear with fibreglass to allow it to match up with the pressed alloy side panels, thus creating a one-piece unit ‘look’ but retaining three separate components, this was complimented by a W.E. Wassell style single padded seat up top and light alloy mudguards finished the machine off.

The tank and side panels were finished in a dark blue with white infill panels and a gold lining using vinyl lining tape, between the blue and the white, it had four tank badges with a gold stag’s head against a dark blue background fixed each side of the tank and both the side panels.

Photo: Mike Watts

On closer inspection, the stag’s head is sporting ten ‘tines’, which is biologically incorrect, as they should have either twelve or sixteen tines as mentioned earlier! This would not have bothered D.R., after all, it was a name and logo used to disassociate him from the Montesa brand.

Drive chain adjustment was taken care of by simple snail cams on the end of the rear spindle and the Girling four-point adjustable shock absorbers were attached to the swinging arm close to the rear wheel spindle.

Photo: Mike Watts

Smith had fitted a ‘Sammy Miller’ alloy chain oiler, hidden behind the nearside panel and a trailing slipper chain tensioner took care of chain tension.

The rear brake was cable operated as the Montesa had a right-hand gear change with offside drive. The Montesa Cota 247 of the era had a full width hub which allowed for a rod-operated nearside brake.

A quickly detachable light alloy sump shield was fitted to protect the crankcases, the crafty Smith made use of the cavity between the engine and shield to store a spare drive chain in a sealed polythene bag for the 1970 Scottish. This innovation ensured that the heavy spare chain was carried on the bike in a low position, a sensible idea. A spring-loaded prop stand was fixed onto the nearside of the lower frame, being a requirement of the SSDT regulations. Sadly, the side stand has been lost over the years, but the bracketry remains. The footrests were of the folding type and spring-loaded, a feature Smith claimed was his innovation on the Montesa Cota having ridden for West Ham and Hackney speedway teams where folding footrests had already been in use before they became standard trials equipment. It is believed that Smith was the first to deploy a folding type footrest in speedway racing for safety, and by fitting a spring for trials use ensured that it returned to its original position after flicking up.

The unbraced handlebars had the brake and clutch perches welded to the bars, reminiscent of what Sammy Miller had on his own Bultacos. This saved weight and ensured that the set-up never altered in a fall. Docherty steel ball-ended control levers were fitted.

The whole package was neat and functional.

John Moffat: “I remember standing on the cobbled alleyways of Edinburgh’s Gorgie Market in early May 1970, my eyes were feasting on the machines of my then heroes, men who in my later years would become personal friends and aquantances, although I didn’t know that back then. I walked along to see this white and blue bike standing proud on it’s side stand with it’s rider to be, Don Smith. He moved away towards the Renolds chain van, staffed by Vic Doyle and I stood in wonderment of the bike that people were calling ‘The Stag’. I was captivated with the machine. Then suddenly a man appeared at the other side of the bike, towering over the machine, it was Don Smith in person, he smiled at me, but didn’t speak, and being a twelve-year-old I stood back to let him carry on preparing his machine. I never spoke to him, which I regret now, as I now know he was quite approachable. But the STAG was etched in my mind. I asked my father, T. Arnott Moffat, at that time General Secretary and Treasurer of the Scottish ACU about the bike. He simply informed me that Don Smith wanted to get out of riding for Montesa and he reckoned this was Smith’s method. I never forgot the Don Smith STAG.”

Power source:

The engine was standard 247cc Montesa Cota issue, retaining the exceptionally long inlet manifold and breathed through a type 626 Spanish AMAL carburettor. Having ridden for the factory, Smith would have had access to spare motors during his time with the company, so it made sense to use an already proven power unit for the STAG venture. The engine in the STAG Mk1 has been number stamped when the bike was constructed. It could have been a spare un-numbered engine as factories tended to do that with crankcases that were supplied new to replaced damaged components, certainly the motor does not have the usual Montesa numbering protocol. The original registration book and the current DVLA documents confirm this.

Hugh McDonald of Fort William in the 1959 SSDT on his Royal Enfield.

As mentioned, Don Smith used his STAG MK1 to signal the end of his three-year contract with Montesa, however it is believed that he may have been financially supported with the STAG venture in the 1970 Scottish by Fort William businessman, Hugh McDonald who owned a gents outfitter shop, trading as ‘Alister McDonald’ at 64-66 High Street.

It has been confirmed that Smith stayed at McDonald’s house, ‘Failte’, Achintore Road on many occasions and during the 1970 event in particular, he was also transported to the trial start in Hugh’s car that year. The SSDT started and finished in Edinburgh and was centred in Fort William during the bulk of the week.

To go a stage further, it may be this Scottish highland connection that could have spawned the naming of the STAG itself, but no-one knows for sure, not even the McDonald family who still live in Fort William.

Current owner Mike Watts dispelled that myth: “When I spoke with Don Smith shortly after buying the STAG, he told me that the STAG idea came from the badge of the West Essex MCC of which he was a member.”

West Essex MCC badge – Photo: Don Smith Family Collection

The 1970 Scottish:

Having been entered by Montesa Motor Cycles on a 247 Cota, Don Smith was allocated riding number 101 for the 1970 Scottish Six Days, which was the trial secretary Jim McColm’s first event in charge. Smith was his usual flamboyant self at both the weigh-in and the start on the Monday morning, 4th May at Gorgie Market. He was no stranger to the Scottish, having ridden in the annual event since 1960. The appearance of the 247 STAG MK1 instead of a Montesa, generated a lot of interest and excitement, but the proof of the pudding would be in the eating, the SSDT being the ultimate test of rider and machine.

Having caused a veritable ‘stir’ at the weigh-in of the event on the Sunday, the tongues were wagging, and trials fans were keen to see how the STAG performed.

Smith was an extrovert and very much a fun-loving rider, he rode to win, but enjoyed winding other riders up. Mid-week, he decided to have a bit of a dice on the road with a fellow competitor and during this high-speed encounter, the STAG’s gearbox cried enough! The Montesa Cota was known for having gearbox issues and the motor used in the STAG MK1 was no different, the gearbox was fragile and that ended Smith’s 1970 Scottish.

Repairs were made post event and Smith campaigned the STAG in national trials for the remainder of the season.

The STAG today:

Happily, the 1970 STAG MK1 has survived intact with very few components being changed over the years.

Middlewich gift shop owner and motorcycle enthusiast, Mike Watts brings the story up to date:

“I spotted a classified advert in Trials & Motocross News in 2004 which offered a 250 Montesa Cota Special for sale, I was intrigued, so went to a village near Norwich to have a look at the bike. The seller rode speedway and his race bike had suffered a major engine failure and he was funding the repairs by selling the old trials bike that had been languishing in a corner.

When I saw it, I knew exactly what it was, and I was keen to have it. The owner clearly did not know that he was selling a unique piece of British trials history, so I did the deal, paid the price, and took the STAG home.

Many of my friends have since told me to do a comprehensive restoration to put the bike back to as new condition, but to be honest I do not want to touch it. The STAG is now fifty-one years old, it is in one piece and apart from a replacement ignition casing, it is pretty much as Don Smith rode it, so I plan to leave it exactly as it is. It maybe did not survive the 1970 Scottish Six Days, but it has survived the test of time. I also have the original registration documents, which is another component of the bike’s history.”

Watts met Essex born Smith, who was guest of honour that same year at the British Bike Bonanza and he was reunited with his STAG. This turned out to be a once only reunion as Don died in the October, having suffered a stroke at home and a fatal one in Addenbrookes Hospital, Cambridge. He died on 6th October 2004 aged 66 years.

Watts: “Don was delighted to see his old STAG and we talked for well over an hour, at which time he pointed out all the features he had designed, including the tank and side panel badges which he made himself.

Don could not remember which tank he modified to fit the STAG, nor why he used a steel tank and not an alloy component.

I was delighted when Don signed the fuel tank as a memento of the reunion.

He told me the most challenging components were the side panels which took ages to fabricate. My only regret is that I wasn’t able to record our conversation that day, he was so forthcoming with information and happy to talk about his creation.”

What it was and what it is:

The STAG MK1 was primarily a prototype machine for Smith, a test bed to evaluate innovative ideas in trials bike design. It was also a statement that Smith was available for hire in the trials job market. The STAG was like a mobile CV, and it was also a stop-gap machine until something else came along. This happened when Don Smith signed with Kawasaki to develop their ‘KT’ machines in 1972, but that is another story.

Whilst it did not win any major events or set the trials world alight, the STAG fulfilled its purpose and fortunately for trials enthusiasts, it has survived in an unmolested form for over half a century.

The bike is in good condition considering that it has been left unused in storage for many years, the REH forks are now badly pitted and would require hard chrome plating before they could be functional, and the whole machine would need to be carefully recommissioned before being used in anger.

Some would say that it is a shame that it is not ridden anymore, but for the current owner of the STAG, Mike Betts, it is an interesting part of British trials history that has been preserved, a machine he is proud to be the custodian of.

The STAG MK1 is a survivor, it is a part of trial history, let us be thankful of that at least.

Resource for private study: Ride It! The Complete Book of Motorcycle Trials – Don Smith 1975; 1976; 1977 & 1978 – Haynes Publishing. ISBN 0854291652 (Out of Print)

With thanks to: Mike Watts, the current owner of Don Smith’s STAG; Amanda Lazenby, Don’s youngest daughter, for information received for the writing of this article.

Article Copyright: John Moffat/Trials Guru 2023

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AJS 37A-T Too Little Too Late

AJS 37A-T

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE

AJS, the brand purchased by Associated Motor Cycles in 1931, were known for their long-stroke single cylinder trials machines, which partly dominated the competition scene in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s.

This culminated in Gordon Jackson’s historic Scottish Six Days win on one solitary mark in 1961, achieved with a factory-prepared 16C with a special short-stroke motor.

Associated Motor Cycles (AMC), the group which also owned the Matchless, James and Francis Barnett brands, hit financial difficulties around this time and the writing was firmly on the wall; all these brands had a competition history.

The root of the problem lay with the directors at AMC having taken offence at a critical report published on a road test on one of their machines.

Their response was to refuse permission for the motorcycle press to test their machines and their advertising campaigns in the weekly papers ceased, so not surprisingly they lost valuable sales, year on year, through lack of exposure to the buying public.

It was a case of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

Words: John Moffat (for Trials Guru); Tony Davis; Norman Edgar; Colin Dommett; Andrew Cooke; John Pye.

Photographs: Don Morley; Bob May; Andrew Cooke; OffRoad Archive; Cycle World; Ken Haydon Collection on Trials Guru.

The official catalogue for the AJS 37A-T in 1968 (Norton Villiers Triumph Motorcycles)

AJS Two-Strokes:

Two-strokes had been gaining popularity and in late 1964 Sammy Miller announced that he was moving to Bultaco from Ariel, which in itself was to become a game changer for the trials scene and heralded the Spanish invasion by Bultaco, followed by Montesa in 1967 and eventually Ossa. Two-strokes were here to stay.

The AJS brand, along with the others in AMC, had been taken over in 1964 by Manganese Bronze Holdings which had already bought Villiers Engineering.

After the AMC Plumstead factory closed in 1966 with the creation of Norton Villiers, this involved restructuring of the group and AJS moved to Wolverhampton.

Interesting to note that Sammy Miller had been in talks with Norton Villiers at the end of 1966 exploring the possibility of him to ride a Villiers powered machine for them, although John Grace, Bultaco’s export manager was quoted as saying: “We hope Sammy will be staying with us.” History recorded that Miller stayed firmly with Bultaco until 1973. [1]

The plan was to continue in the competition market, producing only off-road AJS machines at a new purpose-built factory at Andover, but due to planning permission delays the new factory only became operational in mid-1969.

The AJS Y4 ‘Stormer’ motocross machine which was powered by the Villiers ‘Starmaker’ motor and developed over the 1968 season and would take Malcolm Davis to British Championship victory on the works prototype.

They signed Chris Horsfield, Malcolm Davis, Andy Roberton, Sweden’s Bengt Arne-Bonn and Scotsman Jim Aird to field a strong motocross contingent.

Scot, Jimmy Aird on his factory Y4 AJS Stormer – Photo: OffRoad Archive.

They also had an eye on the trials machine market which was buoyant, and they had access to the Villiers two-stroke motors, being under the same group of companies.

Malcolm Davis was not only an excellent motocross rider but also an exceptionally talented trials rider.

Starmaker Engine:

The Villiers 37A powerplant was to be used for the new AJS trials machine in 1969.

The Villiers ‘Starmaker’ engine was to be the basis for the new motocross machine. It was developed from Peter Inchley’s 1966 ‘Villiers Starmaker Special’ TT racing machine which came home third in that year’s Lightweight race. Inchley’s prototype for AJS was based on a Bultaco racing chassis.

The Starmaker had previously been developed by Cotton in their Cobra motocross model and subsequently installed in the factory prototype AJS motocross model first raced by Andy Roberton.

Further developed, it carried Malcolm Davis to victory in the 1968 British MX Championship and from this the Y4 ‘Stormer’ was born. The 250cc Y4, launched in 1969, was followed by big-bore Starmakers, the Y5 Stormer at 360cc in 1970 and eventually the ‘410’ Stormer of 410cc in 1972.

Inchley was a former BSA employee who moved to work at Ariel on two-stroke development followed by a move to work with Dr Joe Ehrlich at EMC, joining AMC in 1963.

Reynolds Tubes constructed the new road race frame, constructed by ace welder Ken Sprayson. An AJS was entered for the 1967 TT but while in fifth position his bike was filled with neat petrol instead of two-stroke mixture and Inchley was forced to retire with a seized engine.

Cotton involvement:

A year later AJS commissioned Cottons of Gloucester to make a frame for trials use loosely based on the existing Cotton trials frame but incorporating the large diameter top tube of the Y4 motocross design. For trials they had access to the proven ‘37A’ trials motor.

Cotton had used the trials version of the Starmaker as early as 1964 – more on this later.

The AJS dealer network in 1969

John Pye was After-Sales Manager at Malcolm Davis Motorcycles in Gloucester: “I remember Malcolm Davis, ‘Fluff’ Brown of AJS and me travelling to a local farm to test a new AJS trials machine that the factory was experimenting with. It was basically a Cotton but the main difference was the top tube, which made its way into production by late 1968”.

Tony Davis, Malcolm’s brother was an accomplished trials and motocross rider who had ridden the factory BSA B40 and for Greeves, and he was enlisted to ride an AJS supplied by the factory. Issued with a standard 37A-T registered TFH22G it came equipped with Metal Profile telescopic front forks, British Hub Company ‘MotoLoy’ six-inch alloy full-width hubs and, of course, the 37A 246cc Villiers engine with an iron cylinder barrel. It is surprising that AJS did not incorporate an aluminium barrel and cylinder head combination as Greeves had done many years previously, and the now well established Bultaco Sherpa and upcoming Montesa Cota both used all-aluminium engines.

Tony Davis: “I rode exactly what the AJS factory supplied us with in 1968. AJS boss Peter Inchley was a stickler for using only factory products, no other components were allowed”.

John Pye: “I remember when Malcolm was in the shop when Peter Inchley arrived and Malcolm hid from him for quite a while. It transpired that Malcolm had bolted a set of Spanish Betor front forks on his motocross AJS. Inchley took one look at the AJS and asked what all this was about. Malcolm explained that he found the Betors helped the front end, but Inchley would have none of it; he insisted that the AJS forks were re-fitted immediately!”

Heralded as the ‘AJS 37A-T – Britain’s latest trials model’ Malcolm Davis was to be credited with the development work for the new machine, as highlighted in the company sales literature, and it was launched in time for the 1969 trials season.

The retail price of the 37A-T in 1969 in kit form to avoid Purchase Tax was £228 and 10 Shillings.

The 1968 AJS 37A-T sales brochure. (Norton Villiers Triumph Motorcycles)

The Edinburgh Connection:

Up in Scotland the appointed agents for AJS were Edgar Brothers in Leith Walk, Edinburgh. They were already sponsoring Jimmy McRae for the 1969 Scottish Championship season on the new Y4 Stormer.

McRae later went on to become five times British Open Car Rally Champion and, of course, the father of 1995 World Rally Champion, Colin McRae MBE.

Dealer principal Mr Norman Edgar was keen to sell as many AJS models as he could, and both his sons were accomplished trials riders. His son Norman FW Edgar was at that time twice Scottish Trials Champion and had entered the 1969 ISDT to be supplied with a works-prepared AJS Y4 ISDT machine for the event at Garmisch-Partenkirchen. He had been campaigning a 37A-T in Scottish and national trials.

Norman Edgar in the 1968 Experts Trial on his 250cc AJS 37A-T (Photo: OffRoad Archive)

It was registered NFS21G in the October 1968 and competed with it into the spring of 1969.

Former Scottish Trials Champion, Norman F.W. Edgar in the 1969 Scottish Six Days on his AJS 37A-T, registered as OWS13G, previously he rode Puch trials machines. Photo: Ken Haydon

He and his younger brother Derek J Edgar were also experienced SSDT competitors, and both had entered for the event to be held in early May.

Scottish Six Days 1969:

AJS were keen to push their new trials model 37A-T in the Scottish Six Days, and to field a team of three riders comprising the Edgars plus one other competitor.

Mr Edgar noticed that Yorkshireman Ray Sayer, a coach operator from Bellerby had entered on his four-stroke 500cc Triumph so an approach was made to enlist him on a 37A-T to make up the three-man team.

Ray Sayer tackles ‘Edramucky’ in the first day of the 1969 Scottish Six Days Trial on OWS12G, one of three AJS 37A-T machines built by Edgar Brothers in Edinburgh on behalf of the factory. Photo: OffRoad Archive.

Sayer saw the sense of riding a lighter two-stroke and agreed. AJS were to pay for the three team member entries but as for the machines themselves, that was a different part of the story.

Edgar contacted the AJS factory and enquired what would be available for the SSDT to be informed that, due to workload, they could not guarantee to build three suitable machines in time. Could the Edgar Brothers build bikes from parts supplied? Mr Edgar agreed to the offer, and boxes of components were despatched to Edinburgh from Wolverhampton and three AJS 37A-T machines were assembled by Derek Edgar in the dealership’s workshop.

Norman FW Edgar:It is over 50 years since I rode the AJS in the Scottish, so apologies if I can’t remember full details or the sequence of events, but somehow we decided to change the specification. We obtained new front forks and front and rear wheel hubs from the scrambles Y4, which not only looked much more purposeful but were also lighter than the standard full-width items fitted to the production models. We also fitted longer than standard aluminium side panels to protect the air cleaner. As was always the case, if we could get something to work better, we did it. When I rode the ISDT later that year, I changed the motocross piston for a trials component before the event and the machine’s power delivery was much more suited to the ISDT. Derek built the three SSDT machines, and these were registered in Edinburgh and tested just immediately prior to the Scottish”.

Norman Edgar (250 AJS) in the 1969 SSDT on Loch Eild Path – Photo: Ken Haydon Collection on Trials Guru.

SSDT ‘Team AJS’:

The Edgar-built 37A-Ts were registered OWS 11, 12 and 13G. Derek rode 11G, Norman was given 13G and Ray Sayer rode 12G.

Another AJS, OWS14G, seemed to be registered at the same time, but this was probably a standard 37A-T machine for a customer.

One of the three SSDT machines ended up with the Kingston & District club in Surrey as a loan motorcycle for those wishing to sample the sport, the machine having been traded in to Comerfords at Thames Ditton and failing to sell through the shop around 1974.

Derek Edgar’s 37A-T AJS in 1970 used a German ‘BING’ carburetor from one of his Puch trials machines. The screw on top can be seen between fuel pipe and cylinder head.

Looking at close-ups of Derek Edgar’s SSDT AJS, which he used again in 1970, it would appear that he had fitted a German-made ‘Bing’ carburetor for his attempt at the Scottish for the second time on the 37A-T.

1969 SSDT – Derek Edgar (250 AJS) tackles first day section ‘Culross’ in Fife – Photo: Bob May, Edinburgh

Derek Edgar was an innovator and had also ridden Puch machines in trials and the ISDT for a period prior to building the AJS. He later went to work for Puch in Austria as a development rider and technician.

Norman continued: “I do remember Ray Sayer mentioned something about the steering lock being restricted and, indeed, he took a hacksaw to the front end at Gorgie Market during the SSDT weigh-in on the Sunday. Both Derek and I did not really notice anything untoward, so we just rode the machines as they were built”.

At a wheelbase of 51.5 inches, by utilising the Y4 forks and alloy yokes with the leading axle it would stretch the AJS 37A-T to around 52.5 inches – more in keeping with the Bultaco Sherpa – and assisting stability on straightforward rocky sections, which was a feature of the Scottish Six Days. Fortunately the Y4-style fork sliders were not ‘handed’ and had sufficient lugs to accommodate front mudguard fixtures.

Norman Edgar in the 1969 British Experts on OWS13G, one of the Edinburgh built AJS factory bikes, note the ‘Stormer’ wheel hubs, front and rear. (Photo: Don Morley.)

And so AJS fielded a team in the SSDT, the first time since 1965. Too late to be printed in the official programme, and Ray Sayer shown as riding the 500cc Triumph, it was not to be a ‘dream team’ situation, with Sayer dropping out of the trial on the Wednesday with gear selector problems. His machine (OWS12G) was repaired post trial and retained by the Edgars and used again in 1970, this time piloted by American, Bob Ewing from Sepulveda (North Hills), California who flew over from the US. Ewing lasted until the Wednesday when he was excluded on time. Derek Edgar took up employment with Ewing after he left Puch and before he went to work for Montesa USA.

Bob Ewing on 'Edramucky' on day one of the 1970 SSDT - Photo: Cycle World.
Bob Ewing on ‘Edramucky’ on day one of the 1970 SSDT – Photo: Cycle World.

Modifications and Improvements:

Having informed Tony Davis that the Edgar brothers and Sayer had ridden heavily modified 37A-Ts in the Scottish, he commented: “I find this surprising in that Peter Inchley was such a stickler for us riding what we were given, and yet the Edgars changed the machine materially. Perhaps because they used AJS components and the fact the factory could not supply prepared machines meant it was acceptable”.

Photographic evidence confirmed that Malcolm Davis had used the Y4 alloy conical front hub on his AJS, SFH96G, in the Cotswold Cup Trial in 1969 but retained the standard Metal Profile forks with the axle at the bottom of the slider.

It would also appear that he went against Peter Inchley’s instructions by fitting a Greeves aluminium barrel and cylinder head to his 37A-T!

Even though the Edgars changed the geometry of the 37A-T they were not in a position to change the most obvious component, the cylinder barrel; this was still the iron unit.

Greeves achieved it, why not the AJS factory? After all, the owners of AJS, Norton Villiers, intimated in 1969 to Greeves that supply of Villiers power units would cease, which inevitably forced the Thundersley firm to source engines from Puch in Austria.

Why the 37A?

Malcolm Davis supported rider, Chris Watts with his 250cc AJS at the finish of the 1969 SSDT at Blackford Hill Observatory – Photo: Bob May, Edinburgh
Chris Watts on his 37A-T AJS, this photo shows that Watts had switched to the Y4 type conical front hub which was lighter than the full width British Hub that was fitted originally. Photo: Off Road Archive.

AJS had all the development work done on the all-alloy Starmaker unit, could they not have further developed the trials version of that power plant?

Bultaco for example developed their Sherpa trials and the Pursang motocross motor from older applications, the motocross having different porting and gear clusters, but benefitted from common components and were all-alloy construction.

As already mentioned, the Starmaker trials version had been used in the factory Cottons with one issued to their supported rider, Colin Dommett, in 1964.

Colin Dommett on his Cotton with ‘Starmaker’ Villiers engine fitted. Photo: OffRoad Archive

Colin Dommett:I didn’t like the Starmaker engine, for example the gear ratios were too wide, and it was eventually sent back to Villiers as I think they owned the engines. It was replaced by a 37A engine. They tried all sorts of exhausts, but everything they did just made things worse, not better. I think they even tried a 37A crank in a Starmaker and that was a slight improvement”.

The Villiers ‘Starmaker’ all alloy motor which was used by Cotton and also AJS for their ‘Stormer’ motocross machines. Three versions were produced for racing, motocross and trials.

Cottons also fielded a team in that year’s SSDT fitted with Starmaker motors, comprising Arthur and Alan Lampkin and Blackie Holden. All three riders finished with special first-class awards.

The belief was that the 37A, although using appreciably heavier components, was the better engine for trials use even though it looked old fashioned compared to the compact-looking Bultaco and Montesa power plants.

As well as being second best Edinburgh & District club member, receiving the Henderson Challenge Trophy at the SSDT, Norman Edgar Jnr won the 1969 Scottish Trials Championship outright on his 37A-T, making him a three times champion in the process.

Privateers:

It’s all well and good having factory machines entered for major events like the SSDT and British Experts, you still need sales to private owners to make it financially worthwhile.

There were six private entrants on AJS 37A-T who rode the 1969 SSDT: M.K. Fulcher, North London; R.E Chapman, North East London; Jack Young, Edinburgh; Roger Davy entered by Comerfords (WPD4G); and Chris Watts of the C.S.M.A. (TAE411G) who also had fitted a Y4 front hub on his 37A-T.

There was one other AJS entered that year, but it was a 350cc four-stroke 16C ridden by JL Smith from Edinburgh, a nephew of Scottish born AJS director Bill Smith.

American Bob Ewing had entered in 1969 but was classed as a non-starter so the best guess is that he would have ridden OWS14G, either that or Jack Young could have obtained it just prior to the event.

The following year there were four AJS mounted riders in the 1970 SSDT: Eddie Henderson from Bangor and member of the Knock MCC Ireland; Bob Ewing, who flew over from California to ride the OWS12G supplied by the Edgar Brothers; Jack Young, from Edinburgh; and Derek Edgar, back on OWS11G. But most of the entry by now consisted of Bultaco and Montesa with a couple of Ossas.

Former factory trials rider, Tony Davis.

Tony Davis Talks AJS:

It was Malcolm who talked me into riding the AJS trials machine; ‘fly the flag’ he said. So I agreed to ride it for a year. We spent many hours practising in the quarry and woods up the hill near the Air Balloon. We both found it ‘gutless’ from plonking in a section, and the carburation was unreliable. After many hours’ tuning we got the carburation more exact. Malcolm did a lot of work on the engine and got it to respond better and rev out more, which suited his style of riding. Peter Inchley wanted my machine to stay as standard as possible. It handled reasonably well; it was better in mud than on rocks but was never going to be a world beater, especially against the Spanish armada. I won some centre trials and the Western Centre Championship was mine once again. The AJS was far too late to win any National trials, and the ‘powers that be’ knew that. Now the Y4 Stormer motocross model was exceptionally good, as Malcolm proved”.

Studying old national trials results, it is evident that Tony Davis’s overall performance improved when he switched to Bultaco in 1970. It was by then a tried and tested product, which had benefited from not only Sammy Miller’s input but that of riders across the globe who enjoyed support from the Barcelona manufacturer. Bultaco and Montesa were taking trials very seriously, and with Mick Andrews developing the Ossa they too were ready to capitalise on the success of their prototype.

Derek Edgar in the 1969 SSDT on his 37A-T AJS, OWS11G, one of a batch supplied by the factory, but built in Edinburgh by Edgar Bros – Photo: Ken Haydon Collection on Trials Guru.

Sales and specifcation:

Sales of the production AJS 37A-T were disappointing; trials riders are consistent followers of fashion and the AJS just did not inspire them. Only 98 units were produced in total. This means that the 37A-T AJS is now regarded as a fairly rare beast.

The fuel tank was quite bulbous, holding 1 3/4 gallons and was the bright orange – the factory called it ‘Bushfire Red’ – fibreglass unit taken from the Y4 motocross model. The frame was Sifbronze welded and superbly finished in metallic silver but had an unusual plate which joined the large-diameter top tube to the footrest tubes, and it had a full cradle, single down-tube frame.

AJS called the colour ‘Bushfire Red’ wheras most people would say it was orange! A genuine standard 37A-T AJS. This photo clearly shows the unusual plate which joins the large diameter central top tube to the rear subframe.

Chain adjustment was not made at the back wheel but at the swinging arm pivot, with an eccentric cam arrangement that was an attempt to keep the chain line as straight as possible.

It was used on the AJS motocross model and also used by Rickman on their motocross Metisse frames, but it was unusual for a trials machine. Carburation was taken care of with a Villiers S.25 instrument, which is the type of carburetor that would become popular with the Pre-65 brigade in the 1990s.

Again this was a departure from the trend, which was to use the modern AMAL MK1 concentric which was fitted by both Bultaco and Montesa at this time, the instrument made in Spain under licence from the UK company.

Remember, the AJS was competing for sales against these two Spanish brands which had already gained a foothold in the UK, North American and European trials markets.

The engine, as stated, was the iron-barrelled Villiers 37A model which had a bore of 66mm and stroke of 72mm, giving a displacement of 246.33cc and a claimed 12.4 BHP at 5,000 RPM. Compression ratio was quoted by AJS as 7.9:1.

In comparison, the 1964 trials version of the Starmaker pumped out 15 BHP at 5,000 RPM. Utilising a 58-tooth rear wheel sprocket, the 37A-T gave a 29:1 bottom gear, with a four-speed gearbox giving ratios as 3.6; 2.4; 1.56 and 1.00.

The wheels were built using Dunlop chrome steel rims, WM1 front and WM3 rear, whereas the Spanish competition were using Akront alloy components at this time. Mudguards were plain polished 18G aluminium alloy, with front mudguard bracketry fabricated from sheet alloy and an alloy chainguard, standard fit for trials machines of the era.

The wheel hubs on the production 37A-T were British Hub polished alloy 6 inch units. The rear hub incorporated a rubber cush-drive.

Wheelbase was 51 1/2 inches similar to the Bultaco Sherpa and the machine weighed in at 212 pounds, lighter than the Greeves Anglian at 225 pounds.

The front suspension consisted of Metal Profile telescopic with alloy sliders, the wheel spindle carried directly below. The Edgar Bros built machines however used the front fork sliders from the Y4 motocross model.

A heel/toe gear lever, chrome plated ‘Peco’ style exhaust and Girling rear dampers finished the package off. List price in 1969 was £228 and ten shillings, in kit form thus avoiding Purchase Tax.

AJS Today:

John Moffat of Trials Guru makes comment:

Information on the 37A-T is very scarce on the internet, purely because of the short production run and the low numbers produced and sold. However, the model is featured in Gregor J. Grant’s ‘AJS – The History of a Great Motorcycle’ published in 1969, revised in 1974 by Patrick Stevens Ltd, Cambridge (ISBN 0 85059 186 4). It gives a potted history of the marque from its creation and covers the Y4 Stormer and 37A-T models. It does lack, however, any detail of the trials model’s development, undertaken by the late Malcolm Davis, his brother Tony and of course the Edgar brothers in Scotland. Perhaps this article has covered the gaps left by a fellow Scot; his book is well written and researched as he was a professional journalist, but perhaps he did not have the connections to fully research the trials model or perhaps in 1969 thought it wasn’t important enough to save information on the new model for posterity! You simply cannot cram too much information into a book though! On a personal note, when I was 10 years old I started saving up my hard-earned pocket money with the intention to buy an AJS 37A-T. This was probably an idea cultured by my environment, because my Father had ridden an AJS four-stroke twice in the SSDT and then owned an ex-factory Matchless. I saved up the princely sum of £1:10s:6d by the September of 1969, by coincidence the year that Gregor Grant wrote his book on the AJS. However, my Father bought me a Dalesman Puch in the October, so the money went towards buying fuel! I was quite taken by the AJS which looked different from the selection of trials machines on sale, but it was not to be. I did come across OWS11G in November 2019 when I enquired if it was for sale, the owner lived in Carlisle. The owner, realising its history, wanted several thousand pounds as it stood. I found this over-priced; having been laid up for many years it was in poor condition. To its credit, it did look quite complete and still had the Y4 front end, but the cost to restore it would have been excessive. There was no question that it was Derek Edgar’s 1969/70 SSDT machine. I turned the deal down at the time as I felt it was a pointless exercise for me, but deep down I wanted to own the motorcycle, given its SSDT and Edinburgh history. I knew Derek Edgar very well and had a lot of respect for him. I have also subsequently heard that restored versions are being advertised more than that figure, due primarily to their rarity! With the BSA trials competition effort now defunct and Greeves already losing its way, I often wondered what AJS could have achieved had they invested more into the trials project and even recruited Sammy Miller, letting him have the trials version of the Starmaker engine, a clean sheet of paper and a free hand? Even as late as 1970 when Sam was just about over his riding peak, we can only speculate how the brand could have fared. The question must be asked, did the AJS management really take the trials market seriously, as they did not seem to act on the improvements made by the Edgar and the Davis brothers? The Spanish manufacturers were always taking serious note of what their supported riders told them and would make improvements for the next edition of their production models.

Production of the 37A-T AJS ceased and the model was discontinued in 1970.

AJS 37A-T – Photo OffRoad Archive

Today, the AJS name and famous monogram lives on with the company ‘AJS Motorcycles Ltd’, run by Nick Brown and his family. Nick is the son of ‘Fluff’ (real name David) Brown; they manufacture homologated 125cc road-going scooters and motorcycles primarily aimed at the learner rider market. They operate from Upper Clatford, Andover, and still carry spare parts for the old Stormer motocross models, but not the ill-fated 37A-T.

Maybe the AJS 37A-T was, as Tony Davis said, ‘far too late’?

A current day owner’s perspective:

Current owner, Andrew Cooke from Wessington Derbyshire owns a 1969 AJS 37A-T, here is what he says:

Developed with works rider Malcolm Davis with many trials wins, Malcolm reported in advertising literature of the time that: “the bike feels right… you have a machine you can win on”. Unfortunately, history shows that the AJS 37A-T was probably not as successful as had been predicted. Though well made and oozing quality, it was, sadly, “old hat” on its release in mid 1969. It’s dated heavy iron barrel and similar full width hubs negated any advantage gained from the super lightweight and rigid “Reynolds” frame.

Andrew Cooke’s AJS 37A-T.

Early reports were favourable though, about a bike that was easy to ride, handled well and with a “torquey” motor making it ideal for both experts and novices alike.

I always had a liking for the AJS but aged just 16 in 1969 I went down the ‘micro’ route with a new 125 Sprite, after finding a big Greeves barrelled Cheetah a bit of a handful in my first year of trialling. And so, it wasn’t until nearly fifty years later I spotted ‘my’ bike on eBay and arranged for its delivery up from Hampshire to my home in Derbyshire.

RCG182G had been owned by Jon in Waterlooville since 2013 who had fitted electronic ignition, a tucked in kickstart and a new Concentric carb. The engine had all new seals and bearings and the frame had new polyurethane swing-arm bushes and new fork seals. The bike also sported new Betor shocks, chain and brake shoes.

I later changed the grey plastic guards it arrived with for more traditional alloys and had the frame and side panels powder-coated. While it was stripped down I fitted new tyres, had the fixings plated and also reinstated the de-compressor.

I have ridden a lot of Villiers engined bikes with an assortment of barrels but was surprised how well the AJS went in comparison. It has a smoothness unusual for a Villiers engine and plenty of low down torque. I’ve not tackled any challenging hills to test its outright pulling power but it revs cleanly and emits quite a bark from the overhead exhaust. Gearing is a bit low and another tooth on the gearbox sprocket would be more to my liking if I’m honest. The MP/REH/Ceriani type forks are supple and work as expected and would probably only be criticized by someone more used to modern twin-shock Marzzochis for instance.

The wheelbase, at 51.5” is a tad short by comparison to it’s contempories  but not noticeable by myself when riding as I found the steering and suspension very nice with good grip and no ‘crabbing’ from the front tyre on a tight lock. I believe others have extended the swing-arm but I have no experience of how they perform as such.

In conclusion, the 37A-T rides well, goes well and history shows that it could and should have been a much greater success. If the Starmaker trials engine had been developed and fitted, if the smaller and lighter AJS Stormer hubs had been fitted from the outset, who knows where AJS and Villiers would be today.” – Andrew Cook, Derbyshire

Bibliography/References:

AJS – The History of a Great Motorcycle’ – Gregor Grant – Published 1969, revised in 1974 by Patrick Stevens Ltd, Cambridge (ISBN 0 85059 186 4)

Classic British Two-Stroke Trials Bikes – Don Morley – Osprey – 1987

AJS 37A-T catalogue 1968 – Norton Villiers Triumph Motorcycles

Motor Cycling – December 24 1966 – Report on Sammy Miller. [1]

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644BLB – Rediscovered

Words: Trials Guru; Rob Farnham (Oz); Mick Andrews; Martyn Adams.

Additional comments by: Don Morley, Reigate, Surrey.

Photos: Rob Farnham; Rob Edwards’ personal collection; OffRoad Archive; Mike Rapley; Don Morley; James Holland, Bristol; Martyn Adams.

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Mick Andrews on 644BLB at the Bemrose Trial

What is 644BLB?

It was the registration number allocated in January 1961 to a 350 Matchless, which was used exclusively as an AJS and owned by the Associated Motor Cycles Ltd competition Department at Plumstead, South East London.

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The 1961 AJS registered as 644BLB was at heart a Matchless used under the AJS name by Cliff Clayton and Mick Andrews 1961-1964 – Photo: Rob Farnham, Queensland

The motorcycle was to be used by factory supported riders and we know that AJS factory rider, Cliff Clayton used it in the 1961 Scottish Six Days Trial. Clayton was a member of the Barham MCC, and lived at Gillingham in Kent.

644BLB however, was to become better known in the trials world as Mick Andrews’ factory AJS, as he competed on it from 1962-1964 when factory supported. It was a machine that took Andrews on two consecutive occasions to the runner-up position in the Scottish Six Days Trial (winners Arthur Lampkin – BSA C15 – 1963 & Sammy Miller – Ariel – 1964).

Don Morley, the well-known photo journalist spent a great deal of time researching the works trials AMC machines when he was preparing his book, Classic British Trials Bikes which was published by Osprey. Don had photographed many, if not all, the factory models over the years.

Morley told Trials Guru when discussing some articles, that some AMC trials machines were registered as one marque but actually used as the badge engineered stablemate. 644BLB was one such machine, an AJS in use, but registered as a Matchless. The same method was employed for the machine registered 164BLL, issued to Gordon McLaughlan. There has never been a definitive reason for this other than perhaps the AJS 16C was a slightly more expensive model than the corresponding Matchless variant G3C and as the factories had to pay the then ‘Purchase Tax’ on a registered machine, perhaps they saw this as a way of saving some money?

Don told Trials Guru: “I should really have paid more attention to the finer details of the works bikes when I had the chance back in the days when they were used week in, week out by the factory supported riders. I have questioned many of the stars of yesteryear about the finer points of the machines they rode some time later, to find that most hardly touched the machines as they usually were repaired, modified and serviced by the relevant competition departments. No disrespect intended, but I take most of the so-called modifications by riders with a pinch of salt.

Where is 644BLB?

Our article begins with a message sent through social media to Rob Edwards, the former factory Cotton, Montesa and, at one time, AJS teamster. Rob had ridden a factory supported but privately bought AJS in the 1964 and 1965 SSDT, it was registered ‘970PL’ and had bought it from Comerfords in 1963.

The enquiry came to Rob Edwards facebook page in December 2016 from Rob Farnham from Queensland, Australia (who we will refer to as ‘Oz’, his shortened internet name, for the rest of the story) who had seen Rob’s story on Trials Guru and a reference to his promotional trip with his employers, Montesa Motorcycles ‘down under’ in 1975. A photo was within Rob’s story sitting on a 350 AJS which Noel Shipp of Wollongong owned at the time and was reputedly Mick Andrews’ AJS factory machine.

Oz picks up the story: “I purchased the bike from Noel Shipp in December 2008, as being a bit of and AMC competition bike nut, it was an opportunity too good to miss. Sadly Noel was unwell then and died in the September of 2012.

Noel had shipped 644BLB out from the UK in 1970. I have a note of who he purchased it from, but he was actually after another trials machine, a Triumph I think, but took the AJS as his second choice.

Obvious changes have been made between 1964 and 1970, mainly the bottom frame rails and footrest hangers.”

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The lower frame rials have been removed by a previous owner and replaced by strip aluminium, this was not a factory modification – Photo: Rob Farnham

Oz: “I have done very little to it as I have too many projects but was only spurred into motion following a request from John Cuff, a member of the bike club I’m a member of, the Historical Motorcycle Club of Queensland as he needed some bikes for club magazine articles for 2017. He had seen my Matchless G80CS but knew nothing of the 350 AJS, 644BLB.  His main interest is trials and competition machines so he was very excited when he saw it.

Most of my previous research had drawn a blank so was quite excited myself on Rob Edwards response to my post on his facebook page.”

Oz had been doing a lot of digging in an attempt to catalogue the machine’s history, but over the years details of ownership had been lost and of course never rely on people’s memories.

Oz had heard that after Mick Andrews had handed the AJS back to Plumstead, Gordon Blakeway had ridden it. This was false as Blakeway had been issued with 187BLF, the ex-Gordon Jackson machine when Andrews was still riding 644BLB for the factory and was subsequently riding the 250 James (306AKV) for AMCs in 1965.

It was likely that after Andrews moved on, 644BLB would have been moved on also as the factory was in financial decline and several machines were sold off to dealers, the most noteable being Comerfords in Thames Ditton, Surrey and it was most likely that 644BLB would have found its way to this dealer given their connections with the factory.

Confusion reigns!

Oz clarifies how he undertood matters initially: “I was actually led to believe that Rob Edwards had made his debut in the Scottish Six Days on 644BLB in 1965. This was caused by the caption in ‘British Trials Motorcycles’ by Bruce Main-Smith on pages 12 and 13 which read: ‘Rob Edwards (opposite bottom) made his Scottish debut on Andrews’ ex-works 350 AJS, with unofficial factory support’. The photo does show Rob Edwards, but I now know through Trials Guru’s Rob Edwards Story and AJS & Matchless Trials articles that this was actually Rob’s own private but factory supported AJS (970PL). The photo in Main-Smith’s book was taken from a rear view and the machine had lost it’s rear registration number plate, making identification difficult. On top of this, Noel Shipp had told me Rob Edwards had been a privateer rider post 1964, which is one of the reasons I contacted Rob Edwards via his Facebook page.”

In reality, Rob Edwards had taken over the berth left in the AJS official team for the 1965 Scottish Six Days, riding his own AJS, suitably modified as Andrews’ mount 644BLB was not available, this occurred due to Andrews moving to ride the James. So why did the AJS competition manager not allocate 644BLB to Rob Edwards? That may remain a mystery, was it by then sold off or did they not have time to prepare it for the arduous SSDT?

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The 1970 UK tax disc of 644BLB shows it clearly to be a Matchless, not an AJS – Photo: Rob Farnham, Queensland

Oz is keen to find out who purchased and rode 644BLB from around 1964 until it was exported to Australia in the 1970s. He still has the road fund licence tax disc from 1970 with the index ‘644BLB’ and ‘350 Matchless’. This would be the last time the machine was road registered in the UK.

Research indicated that as the machine had left the UK shores, the registration mark had become void due to the mid 1970s ‘amnesty’ that was afforded owners to have their vehicles applied to the DVLA computer at Swansea.

For many years it was thought that the ex-Gordon Jackson AJS (187BLF) had been exported to Australia, even Jackson himself believed it to be so, but it was actually the Clayton/Andrews machine 644BLB that had gone ‘down under’.

The AJS & Matchless Owners Club were contacted in January 2000, but their archivist, Mrs Pat Hughes confirmed that the later competition model records were missing, they had all the road going machine despatch details from 1946 onwards. So another blank was drawn, but the important thing is that the machine still exists half way around the world from where it was built and used. The only confirmation was that the motor number stamped on the crankcases was that of a 1961 model G3C Matchless.

The Mick Andrews connection:

Mick Andrews has been asked many times what he did for a living and simply answers that he commenced a motor mechanic apprenticeship with Kennings when he left school in his home town of Buxton in Derbyshire, but quickly earned a place in the AJS factory trials team riding their works prepared 350cc 16C model, registered as 644BLB at seventeen years of age in late 1961. His name had been put forward to AMC’s Hugh Viney by Ralph Venables. Viney had sent a letter to Andrews, which was the way it was done back then, offering him an AJS.

Mick Andrews told Trials Guru: “I had a Matchless which my Dad Tom bought for me and I had some good rides on that. I came home from work one day and my Dad said that I had better have a look in the garage and there stood a gleaming AJS sent up by Hugh Viney for me to ride. It was 644BLB with a blue tank and gold lining, it looked beautiful.

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Mick Andrews with his factory AJS at the 1963 SSDT, Gorgie Market, Edinburgh – Photo: DON MORLEY

Andrews first appearance on the factory AJS was at the national St. Davids Trial in Wales when he partnered Gordon Jackson and Gordon McLaughlan. That was in 1962, also Andrews’ first time in the Scottish Six Days Trial. In 1963, Mick was second in the SSDT to Arthur Lampkin. Andrews went on to not only win many national trials on 644BLB, but it also established him as a force to be reckoned with in the sport. His last SSDT on 644BLB was the 1964 event, again finishing runner up to Ariel’s Sammy Miller, riding in the factory team comprising of Gordon Blakeway (187BLF) and Gordon McLaughlan (164BLL) with the fuel tanks refinished in ivory white with simplified lining and gold monogram, the penultimate time an AJS team would compete in the annual classic.

Mick Andrews' factory AJS sporting the ivory tank finish for the 1964 SSDT, seen here at Gorgie Market weigh-in.
Mick Andrews factory AJS 644BLB at the 1964 SSDT weigh-in (Photo: Mike Rapley)

In 1965, the final AJS team comprised of Gordon McLaughlan (164BLL); Gordon Blakeway (187BLF) and new recruit, Rob Edwards (970PL) who took the best 350cc cup.

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Mick Andrews on ‘Tyndrum’ in the 1964 Scottish Six Days Trial aboard 644BLB sporting the ivory finished fuel tank. It was Andrews final SSDT using this machine on which he made a name for himself in the sport. Note the spigot fitted on the magneto engine plate with the prop stand pipe strapped to the front downtube. He finished runner up to Sammy Miller – Photo Courtesy of OffRoad Archive

Long-stroke fan!

Mick Andrews: “I did hear many years ago that my old works AJS had been sold to someone in Australia, but I never did see it again. It’s nice to hear that it is still around, OK maybe not exactly as I rode it, but still it’s good that it has survived this long. I was in New Zealand with my wife Jill in 2010 and a bloke came up to me and said, you’re Mick Andrews! I said how do you know me? The chap replied, ‘well I moved out here some years ago, but I did all the work on your AJS, I worked in the comp shop’. I couldn’t believe it, you see Hugh Viney told my Dad and I that we were not allowed to modify or change things on the motorcycle, so my dad sent the AJS back to the factory every Monday morning and they sent it back up to Buxton so I could ride it at the weekend, we never really touched it the whole time I rode for the factory. I never met the guy before, but he made sure the motorcycle was well prepared each week for me to ride.”

Andrews continued: “When I rode for AJS I always rode with the long-stroke motor, never the short-stroke, I didn’t like them. They seemed to suit Gordon Jackson, he liked the sharper power delivery, but it wasn’t my choice. In 1964 we were all offered 250 James to ride, the two Gordons were not happy and handed them back, but I said to the then AMC team manager Ernie Wiffen, that I’ll stick with the James (306AKV) and never looked back.

The long stroke motor looks to have stayed with 644BLB and having examined the engine number it is that of a 1961 G3C Matchless and is in keeping with known serial numbers. The factory did not usually build special factory bikes from scratch, they normally chose one or two from the production line and used these to register them for road use. They were usually tested and them the dispatch clerks booked them out to the ‘Competition Department’.

So what happened to 644BLB after its time as a works machine expired? It is still a bit of a mystery, apart from the obvious, that it was exported from the UK to Australia. Motorcycles change hands and sometimes many hands at that. Without the old style ‘Registration Book’ or buff log book as they were universally referred, it makes it difficult to trace a machines’ history.

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At the moment this period looking competition tank is fitted which has the makings of the late AJS tank lining – Photo: Rob Farnham

What is known is that this AJS, or Matchless as it was registered with the authorities is concerned, was sold off, through a main dealer is most likely as many ex-factory AMC machines were disposed of in this manner.

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Magneto platform has been cutaway to allow for a prop-stand spigot mounting. Another factory machine detail – Photo: Rob Farnham

At one stage, the registration number re-appeared on a 350 AJS in the annual Pre’65 Scottish trial at Kinlochleven in the hands of Andrew Arden, whose father Maurice was the man behind Big John Products, a one time sponsor of Mick Andrews. However, it wasn’t the original machine, it had been in Australia for 15 years or more and the machine was a replica, the dummy registration number plates used purely as a ‘nod’ to Andrews achievements on his original Plumstead built machine.

It was discovered that Noel Shipp bought 644BLB from a UK sales agent, a Stan ‘Rodwell’ or ‘Phelps’ based in Ilford, Essex, so the motorcycle was shipped over.

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Rob Edwards tries Noel Shipp’s Ex-Mick Andrews 350 AJS 644BLB for size in Australia in 1975, which shows the G85 style tank in situ. – Photo courtesy: Rob Edwards personal collection

From photos taken in 1975 during Rob Edwards and Mick Andrews trip to Australia, one notices that the bottom frame rails had been removed and replaced by a plated assembly which gave a flush area to mount an alloy sump-shield in an attempt to loose some weight. This was not a factory modification as AMC believed in making the factory machines look exactly like the standard production competition models.

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A non standard modification to the underside of the frame, this would not have been carried out at Plumstead’s comp shop but by a previous private owner attempting to modernise the machine – Photo: Rob Farnham, Queensland

Having said that, the late model factory trials machines all sported the lowered rear subframe and short, but kicked up rear mudguard fixing loop. This allowed shorter rear suspension units to be deployed while maintaining the same rear wheel movement.

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Detail photo of the rear subframe assembly of 644BLB and detachable rear mudguard loop, alloy rear brakeplate and Dunlop Racing 19 inch wheel – Photo: Rob Farnham, Queensland

The tank appears to have been changed over the years. Initially it had an alloy competition tank finished in blue and gold lining.

Oz: “As previously mentioned Noel Shipp fitted the black 2 gallon AJS competition tank at some point although when he got the bike it had the red fibreglass Matchless G85 style tank on it. This is actually an interesting tank as its shape and fitting is definitely for a G85 but there is a drip recess around the fuel cap and the bottom of the tank is finished off quite roughly. It has ‘R. E. G Mouldings’ inscribed on the bottom, maybe someone over in the UK knows of them?
I bought a polished alloy Lyta Gordon Jackson style tank from Rickmans for another project which requires a fully painted tank, it seems a shame to rough up such a nice tank and I eventually found the black and silver painted tank on eBay, so my current plan is to use the painted tank for the other project and the nice shiny one could be painted up similar to the one used by Gordon Jackson.”

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Gordon Jackson style Lyta aluminium fuel tank was sourced from the UK – Photo: Rob Farnham, Queensland

History of course records that Andrews rode the 1964 Scottish with a Jackson style tank in off-white/ivory with the gold AJS monogram.
We have recently discovered through Dave Lewis, that all G85CS glassfibre parts were made for AMC by Reg Curley Mouldings, which ties in with what Oz discovered.
Oz confirms that the primary chaincase has an alloy inner case with an outer steel component. Production AMC trials machines were never supplied with alloy chaincases, only the factory ones had them.

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Inner section of the primary drive chaincase is in alloy, a special factory modification – Photo: Rob Farnham

Oz who is a lover of originality added: “Of course there is always the matter of whether the bike should be conserved as it is or perhaps restored back to factory finish circa 1964. While 187BLF looks very nice, any traces of its history will have been wiped away during the extensive restoration, in my opinion it has been somewhat over done.”

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The clutch pressure plate has been extensively drilled and a fair bit of thought has gone into this modification. Was it done in the AMC competition shop? – Photo: Rob Farnham

At present 644 is neither ‘fish nor fowl’ as the wheels have been restored, the tank isn’t original to any period,  I have the correct style of tank and muffler, and a very good frame repairer who is more than capable of making original pattern bottom rails, however I have several other projects before I even think about what should be done with it, so that may be an interesting area for discussion on your website?

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Alloy rear brake plate is a factory only item, the rear section has been repaired, rear hub is standard ‘five-stud’ competition issue – Photo: Rob Farnham

So there we have it. It would appear that the former AMC factory AJS, 644BLB has found a new home at the other side of the world, without the factory dispatch records it isn’t possible to identify 100% and without a shadow of a doubt this is the ex-Andrews machine, but the evidence certainly points firmly that it is.
It’s a nice end, because if this is truly 644BLB, then its good news that it survives and hasn’t gone to the AMC factory trials machine graveyard and it’s in a good home.

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644BLB, is now in retirement in Australia, but enjoys a canter every now and then – Photo: Rob Farnham, Queensland

Or is this the end of the story? We will have to wait and see because researching old motorcycles history is something that never really stops.
Trials Guru … 644BLB Post Script!
James Holland founder of JHS Racing Ltd the motorcycle performance centre in Bristol, read this article and came in with additional information.
James Holland:Back in 1998 I made contact with Noel Shipp in Australia as I was keen to establish the whereabouts of Mick Andrews’ ex-works AJS. Noel wrote to me and sent me some photographs of the bike he had bought from England some years previously. He wanted around £5,000 for it, which in 1998 was a lot of money for a machine that was many thousands of miles away. I was very tempted, but I had to be sure that it was the real deal. I spoke to Mick about it when the photos arrived, but it had been many years since he last saw the AJS and of course he didn’t do much work on it as the factory took care of all that.
There were some details that did point to it being a works AJS, but I had a lot of committment going on back then and I decided that I wouldn’t re-import the bike and left it at that.
Noel Shipp sent me a nice letter in the November of 1998 and also detailed separately the frame and engine numbers which I believe are still valid to this day having spoken with John Moffat who was given them in confidence by Rob Farnham.
It’s amazing that this article should be written many years after I walked away from a deal that could have re-united Mick with the first factory machine he ever rode in anger and on which he was propelled to stardom.” – James Holland, Bristol

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The letter sent by Noel Shipp to James Holland in November 1998, when James had the idea of buying Mick Andrews AJS to bring it home to England

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Photo taken by the late Noel Shipp in 1998 showing the engine of 644BLB with the December 1970 UK tax disc – Photo courtesy of James Holland, Bristol

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Mick Andrews astride James Holland’s Matchless/BSA – Photo copyright: James Holland, Bristol.

Even more on 644BLB, the story continues:
The machine has now been sold by Rob Farnham to Yorkshire born enthusiast and engineer, Martyn Adams who now lives in South Australia and intends doing some light restoration back to original trim when Mick Andrews rode the bike for the AJS factory.

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Martyn Adams with 644 BLB, the ex-Mick Andrews factory AJS at the Macclesfield show, Southern Australia, Martyn is also a Trials Guru VIP!

Far from being the end of this fascinating story, when Martyn has concluded his sympathetic upgrading, he will send us details and photographs of 644BLB.

Mick Andrews and Martyn Adams at Mick’s home in June 2025. Mick is holding the award from 1964 from the Scottish Six Days Trial for Best 350 on 644BLB – Photo: Martyn Adams.

The 1964 tankard for Best 350cc at the 1964 Scottish Six Days, won by Mick Andrews on 644BLB. (Photo: Martyn Adams)

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Photos: Rob Farnham, Queensland, Australia; James Holland, Bristol, UK; Martyn Adams.

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Six Days Honda

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1976 HONDA TL 250

Words: Justyn Norek Junior; Carlo Ramella; Tommy Sandham.

Photos: Justyn Norek; Alistair MacMillan; Honda Motor Co.

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Sammy Miller with a TL250, a publicity shot for Honda Motor Company in 1975
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A Honda definitive photo of the production TL250 Honda

Justyn Norek Jnr was given the opportunity to test ride a 1975 Honda TL250 that had taken part in the 1977 Scottish Six Days Trial ridden by Derek Edgar. Now owned by collector Carlo Ramella in Italy, the machine has survived in remarkably good condition. Registered in Edinburgh, Scotland where Derek’s father and uncles ran a motorcycle dealershiop called Edgar Bros, it was an import from the USA, where Derek worked for Puch and latterly Montesa.

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Left to right: Giuseppe ‘Pippo’ Bartorilla, the creator of the Moto Guzzi Trial Special; Justyn Norek Jnr (Tester) and Carlo Ramella – Photo: Justyn Norek Snr

Carlo Ramella takes up the story as to how he came to be in the position to add this machine to his collection.

A Fascination:

Carlo: “I have always had a fascination for all Honda trials motorcycles, and several variants of the TL models occupy my collection. I have a special place in my heart for the four-stroke machines, and their association with my trials hero Sammy Miller whose prototype caused such a sensation in the sport. When Miller moved to the two-stroke Bultaco from Ariel in 1965 it killed the big British machines forever. Miller can also be held responsible for the significant year, 1965, that would return in more recent times with the new class for Pre-65 machines. Word has it that Miller designed the world-beating Sherpa T trials model in one week, and its modern lighter weight and easy to ride two-stroke attributes changed the course of the trials motorcycle forever“.

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Publicity photo of the Honda TL250 when launched in 1975 – Photo: Honda Motor Company

Carlo: “The purchase of the Honda TL 250 came about when I spotted a web advertisement in 2009. My excitement came when I found out it had a competition history with it and the fact that it had been ridden in the Scottish Six Days Trial. I quickly contacted the seller Alan Jones who confirmed that this was the machine belonging to Derek Edgar, who had competed on it in the 1977 SSDT. The details of the email were: ‘Carlo, this machine competed in and finished the 1977 ‘Scottish’ and was ridden by Derek Edgar. The attached photo shows Derek on the machine registration number LFS 5P. Regards, Alan’. I could not believe it, such was my elation at finding a machine with such a sporting heritage!

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Derek Edgar finished 128th on LFS5P in the 1977 Scottish Six Days Trial seen here on ‘Kilmonivaig’ section – Photo: Alistair MacMillan/West Highland News Agency, Fort William/copyright holder: Anthony MacMillan.

Carlo: “However, Alan didn’t want to sell the machine outside the UK and he wanted to avoid all the hassle with paperwork, customs, packaging etc. I am well accustomed with international goods transportation due to my job and know many truck drivers and haulage companies, so I told him that I would take care of transportation, asking him to provide some protection of delicate parts such as the cylinder head, aluminium fuel tank, carburettor, etc. Eventually I managed to convince him to sell me the machine; we agreed a price and I arranged the shipping. When the Honda arrived I had another ‘dream’ in my garage, and it was exactly as I imagined: still with the ‘Scottish’ markings, all original, including the riding numbers for the event. I started the engine and it was so sweet, despite its age. So it was another dream fulfilled, and I rode it in many classic events before this test with my good friend Justyn Norek Jnr.”

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Fitted with an aftermarket KW front mudguard, Justyn Norek testing the 1975 Honda TL250 – Photo: Justyn Norek Snr

Justyn Norek Jnr:

Justyn: “Like Carlo, I am a keen Honda trials enthusiast and especially four-strokes. When Carlo asked if I wanted to test the Honda it was a very easy ‘yes’. Having ridden many Honda trials models it would be interesting to test this one as it was the model which started the adventure. The venue would be one I am very familiar with, at Puy village in the Italian Alps. Carlo has some accommodation here and I also knew his love of red wine would make for good after-dinner conversation! As with most Hondas it started with a soft use of the kick-start lever. I was surprised that it started first time due to its age but the ‘clockwork’ engine was as sweet as a nut, with a very nice ambient exhaust note. I had a quick warm up and it once again confirmed my love of the four-stroke engine“.

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JN: “The hazards we tested on I have ridden before, such as the river and rocks. I entered the fast flowing river and once again the superb suspension found on most Honda trials models was evident. This machine is over thirty years old and yet the suspension’s action is still very good. Despite its obvious heavy weight it handles pretty well, but you do have to be precise with your movements. Straight-line riding is okay but you have to pre-plan any sharp corners, such is the weight factor that you have to always take into account. The super-soft power delivery makes up for the handling and, as always, the feel good factor is immense“.

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LFS5P has had very little changed to it since its 1977 SSDT adventure – Photo: Justyn Norek Snr

JN: “Out of the river and riding the nearby by river banks is where it’s the happiest as it feels very confident on this type of terrain. The relationship between the fuel tank and seat is very comfortable. Performance wise it could do with around another 100cc as, on very steep climbs, it simply runs out of power. The brakes were once again very good, considering the machine’s age, and as with the majority of Japanese motorcycles the gear selection was very ‘slick’ and positive. As with other machines from this era the clutch is not really for use in the hazards“.

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The Honda TL250 is still in fairly standard condition except from a little scalloping of the side panels and the non-standard front mudguard – Photo: Justyn Norek Snr.

JN: “In conclusion this model is one which needs to lose so much weight to be competitive but that’s maybe why we see so many Honda ‘Special’ trials machines. It’s a pleasure to ride and the quality standard is very high. Sammy Miller worked his magic on the Honda TL 250, producing the Miller Honda which took Rob Shepherd to the British title in 1977. As the rain came down we retired for a lunch of grilled meat and a glass of red wine, and the topic of conversation took us back to the winning years of Sammy and Rob Shepherd“.

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Justyn Norek Jnr. puts the 40 year old Honda through its paces in Italy – Photo: Justyn Norek Snr.

Carlo Ramella told Trials Guru that Honda TL250 UK registration LFS5P has now been passed to his good friend and Honda collector, Andrea Merlone and remains in Italy.

Who is Derek J. Edgar?: He is the younger brother of three times Scottish Trials Champion and former Clerk of Course of the Scottish Six Days Trial, Norman F.W. Edgar. Both sons of Norman Edgar senior who had a motorcycle business in Edinburgh (Edgar Brothers) and were DMW, Bultaco, AJS and Honda agents. Derek Edgar worked for Puch Motorcycles and then Montesa Motorcycles in the USA, before returning to live in Scotland to set up his company ‘Derek Edgar Developments’.

He wanted another crack at the SSDT when he was still in the USA and as his father Norman Edgar Snr had imported from the USA under Derek’s direction and assistance, a brace of two TL250s in 1976, a machine was sitting waiting for him to use, registered in Edinburgh as LFS5P.

The other machine from the personal imported batch was LFS4P, purchased at one time by author, Tommy Sandham who had a liking for Honda trials machines.

Sandham described the TL250 as: “… heavy, had low ground clearance but was the most fun you could have with your trousers still on“.

Sandham loaned LFS4P to his friend Kenny MacNamee who rode one of the first motorcycle enduros to be held in Scotland, at Rhins on the Galloway coast in 1978. The TL250 was a fine general purpose off road machine, perhaps heavy and low for trials, but for the early enduros, a handy bike to have!

Derek Edgar retired to Linlithgow with his wife Theresa. Their daughter Kim Edgar is a well known musician. Sadly Derek passed away in 2018. We hope to bring you the full story of the Edgar Brothers on Trials Guru.

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LFS5P is still a useable trials machine in the right hands – Photo: Justyn Norek Snr.

Our thanks to Carlo Ramella, Justyn Norek Snr & Jnr., Tommy Sandham.

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